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18 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:15:02 EST
19 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
20 Subject: Athena chaos address fakeout, HOSTS3 compiler broken.
21 To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
22 Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].851075.860314.SRA>
24 1) The chaosnet address of ATHENA in the newest HSTMIT is a lie.
25 The address listed is really a different project athena machine.
26 ENS@ATHENA and I did this because Athena itself is off the chaosnet
27 for an indefinite time due to hardware lossage beyond their control.
28 So this way mail will get through without having to go via MC, but
29 trying to SUPDUP or TELNET to Athena via chaos will lose. Sorry.
31 2) The HOSTS3 compiler has run out of address space again, so it won't
32 be possible to generate new HOSTS3 binary files until I figure out
33 some new class of hosts or nicknames that can be safely pruned from
34 HSTNIC. PDP10s (and vaxen who port HOSTS2.TXT files from XX or OZ)
37 Received: from CAF.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 14 MAR 86 16:09:27 EST
38 Return-Path: <mbm@mit-caf>
39 Received: by mit-caf.MIT.EDU (5.9/MIT.1x)
40 on Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:08:57 EST; User info-hosts@mc; Host mc
41 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:08:57 EST
42 From: Mike McIlrath <mbm@mit-caf>
43 To: info-hosts@mc, jis@athena
45 Subject: please add host
48 Please add host "bogart", a microvaxII running unix (with the usual
56 Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 22 FEB 86 00:33:19 EST
57 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 86 00:34:55 EST
58 From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
59 Subject: Re: bad address
61 cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
62 Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15545.860222.CENT>
64 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST
65 From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
66 To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
67 Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu
68 In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
69 Subject: Re: bad address
70 Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct.
75 HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP ::
77 in my previous msg was from MC:SYSHST;HSTMIT >. indeed, the following are in
80 HOST : 18.86.0.4 : XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP : TCP/SMTP :
81 HOST : 18.86.0.6 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN : IBM-4341 : VM : TCP/TELNET,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FTP :
83 but the host-finding, given the evidence, is running off HSTMIT.
85 Received: from BITSY.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 21 Feb 86 22:56:35 EST
86 Received: by BITSY.MIT.EDU (5.15/4.7)
87 id AA04021; Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST
88 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST
89 From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
90 Message-Id: <8602220344.AA04021@BITSY.MIT.EDU>
91 To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
92 Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu
93 In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
94 Subject: Re: bad address
96 Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct.
100 Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 21 FEB 86 21:42:04 EST
101 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
102 From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
103 Subject: Re: bad address
104 To: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU
105 cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
106 Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15471.860221.CENT>
108 To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@ai.ai.mit.edu>
109 Cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@ai.ai.mit.edu
110 Subject: Re: bad address
111 Date: 20 Feb 86 11:54:35 EST (Thu)
112 From: kevin%harvard@harvard.HARVARD.EDU
113 The problem is that the message is addressed to sloan.mit.edu, not to
114 xv.mit.edu. Please fix the list so that you're really mailing to
115 header-people-incoming@xv.mit.edu.
117 Postmaster, xv.mit.edu
119 a couple days ago i sent you this mail indicating that i had just done so:
120 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 86 05:03:25 EST
121 From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
122 Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2
123 To: kevin@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU
124 cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU
125 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 85 15:22:51 EST
126 From: kevin@harvard.HARVARD.EDU (Kevin Crowston)
127 To: header-people-request@mit-mc.arpa
128 Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2
129 Sorry about the previous confusion.... Anyway, here's our hoped
130 for schedule for the change over:
131 immediately the host "mit-sloan.mit.edu", internet address
132 [18.86.0.4] will be identifying itself as "xv.mit.edu".
133 This weekend, I hope, the MIT name server will be updated to know
134 that "xv.mit.edu" is really [18.86.0.4]. (It turns out that the
135 only person in the universe who can make this change has been on
136 vacation all this time, so this hasn't happened yet.) I will mail
137 another letter as soon as I hear that the nameserver is up-to-date.
138 The current time table says that by 15 January,
139 "mit-sloan.mit.edu" will be the name of a different machine, so I
140 hope that the changes in the various mailing list will have been
142 Once again, sorry for the confusion; I hope the too hasty change
143 hasn't started mail bouncing all over the net.
145 kevin%xv.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (soon)
146 kevin%mit-sloan.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (now)
147 i recently noticed that SLOAN has aqcuired XV as an alternate name, or
148 nickname, or whatever, so have just implemented your above request for
149 address change. it took me -this long- to grasp the pun; i must be slowing
152 at that time i had in fact changed your entry; until i commented it out
153 yesterday, this is how it read:
154 (header-people-incoming @XV) ; req. of Kevin@SLOAN Crowston 1sep85
156 now, this is what the host table says about the host in question:
157 HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP ::
159 the host table thinks XV and SLOAN are the same thing. clearly the host
160 table, not the Header-People list, is what is confused. i suggest that you
161 arrange to have the host table fixed with respect to the Sloan host(s).
163 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Feb 86 13:56:21 EST
164 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1986 13:55 EST
165 Message-ID: <SRA.12184397767.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
166 From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
167 To: cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
168 cc: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
169 Subject: tables broken again
171 NEWTON is now listed in both HSTAI and HSTG. Massive lossage.
173 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 13 Feb 86 05:02:45 EST
174 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1986 05:03 EST
175 Message-ID: <SRA.12182990201.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
176 From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
177 To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
178 cc: sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
179 Subject: Cretinous lossage
181 Some pinhead put a bunch of EECS hosts into the HSTAI table
182 (presumably by putting them into Reagan's namespace). This causes the
183 host table compiler to barf, since the culprit didn't get all the
184 names right and there are primary name mismatches.
186 Host tables will be disfunctional until this is fixed at the source,
187 since I am not about to start a namespace war with a Lisp Machine.
189 Chris, you might want to install a filter in Reagan's table dump
190 program so that it won't propagate this kind of lossage.
194 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 4 Feb 86 21:13:37 EST
195 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1986 21:14 EST
196 Message-ID: <SRA.12180807532.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
197 From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
198 To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, postmaster@VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU
199 Subject: VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU now listed as Chaos-only host
201 I commented out the IP address for VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU (VX). As the
202 person responsible for keeping the LCS tables in some state that
203 vaugely reflects reality, I just went ahead and did this by fiat
204 without waiting for VX's owners to give me permission (or more
205 accurately, I timed out while waiting for a useful answer to my
206 queries). This change will affect the MIT HOSTS3 and HSTMIT files
207 (and anything that is generated from them) and the LCS.MIT.EDU domain.
208 It will *not* affect the NIC tables, so we can change things back
209 quietly if/when VX's TCP/IP code becomes reliable enough to use for
210 mail on a regular basis.
212 Anybody who wants to change this back please talk to me first. There
213 are some issues involved that are not readily apparent.
215 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 31 Jan 86 22:55:44 EST
216 Date: Fri 31 Jan 86 22:56:40-EST
217 From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
218 Subject: [Communications Satellite <COMSAT@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>: Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST]
219 To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
220 Message-ID: <12179777611.35.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
222 Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 30 Jan 86 16:21-EST
223 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 86 16:21:31 EST
224 From: Communications Satellite <COMSAT@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
225 Subject: Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST
226 To: "MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU"@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU
227 Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].801937.860130>
229 ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============
230 "INFO-HOST" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient.
231 ============ Failed message follows: ============
232 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 30 Jan 86 15:05:56 EST
233 Date: Thu 30 Jan 86 13:04:36-EST
234 From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
236 To: info-host@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
237 Message-ID: <12179407684.24.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
239 MIT-CAF's internet address is 18.62.0.232, not 18.21. Thanks.
244 Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 28 JAN 86 21:55:59 EST
245 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 21:55:35 EST
246 From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
247 Subject: SYSNET;HSTMIT ?
248 To: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.MIT.EDU
249 cc: INFO-Hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
250 Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].12019.860128.CENT>
252 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST
253 From: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA
254 Subject: sysnet;hstmit
255 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
256 I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some time in
257 generating my host table. It seems as this file is no longer to be
258 found in the same location on mc. This is not surprizing considering
259 that mc is sort of going away. Where is this file currently? Is it
260 going to be updated any longer? If you don't know about this, do you
261 know anyone who does?
263 the file has been moved in the SYSHST; directory -- SYSHST;HSTMIT is what
264 you should now look for. SRA@XX is doing most of the work here on
265 host-table related things now, so you should direct questions about its
268 Received: from CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 28 Jan 86 11:30:43 EST
269 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST
270 From: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA
271 Subject: sysnet;hstmit
272 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
273 Message-ID: <860128162939.998026@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA>
276 I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some
277 time in generating my host table. It seems as this file is no longer to
278 be found in the same location on mc. This is not surprizing considering
279 that mc is sort of going away. Where is this file currently? Is it
280 going to be updated any longer? If you don't know about this, do you
281 know anyone who does?
285 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 86 18:52:50 EST
286 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
287 Subject: MC binary host table
288 To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, NAMECALLERS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
289 Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].786028.860116.SRA>
291 I turned off the code that was generating the names like
292 MIT-foo.MIT.EDU and foo.MIT.EDU (for hosts that are in some other
293 domain, ie, AI or LCS). This was necessary because COMSAT was
294 completely out of address space and I needed the few K this freed up
295 just to keep COMSAT running.
297 This means that (1) host tables will be a little smaller, and that (2)
298 it is possible that you will be unable to reply to hosts that are
299 still using these names (nobody should be, but they still linger in
300 some dark corners). If you need a table that has all this cruft, you
301 can get the binary from XX:<SYSTEM>HOSTS3.BIN and the text form of
302 HSTMIT from XX:<HOSTS>HSTMIT.TXT.
304 Sorry for the short (one might even say negative) notice, but this was
309 Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 85 07:16:06 EST
310 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1985 07:14 EST
311 Message-ID: <SRA.12168071706.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
312 From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
313 To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, namecallers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
314 cc: sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU
315 Subject: New host tables installed on MC.
317 The new tables that have been running on XX on an experimental basis
318 have now been installed on MC and AI. A few things to note:
320 At CSTACY's request, the tables no longer live in MC: SYSNET; because
321 the directory got too crowded. All the text files have been moved to
322 MC: SYSHST;. The old versions of the host tables are still present in
323 SYSNET; on the off chance that we have to back out of this, but they
324 will be going away soon. The binary host table of course is still in
327 There is a little bit of documentation in some of the files in SYSHST;
328 ask me if you need help, I would much rather have to answer a lot of
329 silly questions than have to pick up the pieces if somebody breaks all
332 For those who deleted my last warning on this subject, the new host
333 table is significantly larger than the old one. Some programs on your
334 machine will probably barf and need to be recompiled. Sorry.
336 Problems, flames, etc to me and NAMECALLERS.
340 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 85 16:30:06 EST
341 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-MC.ARPA>
342 Subject: WARNING: host tables changing tonight
343 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
345 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].758370.851217.SRA>
347 I am going to try installing the new domain-style host tables on MC
348 (and possibly AI) tonight. I will send out another message when this
349 is done. In the meantime, anybody who is automaticly snarfing tables
350 off of MC should beware, since various weird things may happen.
352 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 2 Dec 85 20:39:00 EST
353 Date: Mon 2 Dec 85 14:49:53-EST
354 From: "J. Noel Chiappa" <JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA>
355 Subject: Re: Impending host table format change
356 To: Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
358 In-Reply-To: <SRA.12162783491.BABYL@MIT-XX.ARPA>
359 Message-ID: <12163960357.23.JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA>
361 One other thing we should try and tackle in an organised
362 fashion is allocation of host numbers on wires. Right now, it's
363 done by looking through the host tables, which aren't organized in
364 any useful fashion for this; in addition, some people chose a number,
365 look to see if anyone has that number in protocol family X, and
366 don't check to see if anyone is using it in family Y, with the
367 result that a single host number winds up on two machines, with
368 all the attendant hassle.
369 Shawn keeps files for the LCS Ring and Ether, but they aren't
370 publicy known about. It would be good if we had files for all the
371 wires which random people hang new things on somewhere. Any ideas?
376 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 28 Nov 85 03:07:47 EST
377 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1985 03:05 EST
378 Message-ID: <SRA.12162783491.BABYL@MIT-XX.ARPA>
379 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
380 To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA
381 Reply-To: Namecallers@MC
382 Subject: Impending host table format change
384 I am in the final stages of debugging the various filters, etc to
385 implement the compartmentalization of the MIT host tables. For those
386 who aren't in on this already, HSTMIT is being split up into several
387 smaller files that map one to one with Internet domains (AI.MIT.EDU,
388 LCS.MIT.EDU, ATHENA.MIT.EDU, etc). The new host tables are actually
389 complete right now, and reside in MC: SYSNET;. Don't anybody try to
390 use them yet though (you would have to work very hard to do so
391 anyway). There is even a little documentation for them as wants it,
392 in MC: SYSNET; HSTNEW README. I'll be testing this for a little while
393 on XX before mucking with the MC binaries, but that will happen fairly
394 soon (within two weeks) if nothing major goes wrong.
396 Anyone who uses the MC host tables at all is hereby warned that
397 something is almost certain to break on your machine when this change
398 goes into effect. The most probably cause is the sheer size of the
399 new table. The complete HOSTS3 table (HSTNIC + all the things that
400 used to be in HSTMIT) will be significantly bigger (how much depends
401 on what measure you use; the big change is a lot more nicknames for
402 MIT hosts, some fairly long). A lot of this is temporary; far too
403 many existing programs have assumptions about primary hostnames
404 hardwired into them, so this part of the changeover has to be done in
405 stages. Obviously there are a lot of tradeoffs here; questions or
406 suggestions on this should go to NAMECALLERS@MC rather than all of
409 For now, anybody who edits MC: SYSNET; HSTMIT > should also edit the
410 appropriate subdomain file. If you aren't sure what to do, just make
411 sure to tell me what changes you made and I'll update the appropriate
414 I will send another message to INFO-HOSTS when I start the actual
415 changeover on MC, but I wanted to make sure that people had some
416 advance warning about this.
420 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 85 23:41:20 EST
421 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-MC.ARPA>
422 Subject: HSTMIT table fixed (again)
423 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
424 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].717323.851113.SRA>
426 I changed the primary name of MIT-MORRISON to MIT-MORRISON.ARPA.
428 People, please note that the primary hostname in HSTMIT *must* match
429 the primary hostname in HSTNIC (if the machine is in HSTNIC at all, of
430 course). If you break this rule you will also break the HOSTS3
431 compiler and thus all six PDP10s.
433 Also, if anybody edits HSTMIT in the near future, please send me mail
434 even if you don't send any to INFO-HOSTS for some reason. I am going
435 to be bringing up a current set of tables for the brave new world of
436 domains and if you make changes without telling me they won't show up
441 Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 30 OCT 85 23:06:53 EST
442 Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 23:08:16-EST
443 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
444 Subject: Re: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878
445 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
446 cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
447 In-Reply-To: Message from "Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>" of Wed 30 Oct 85 22:23:14-EST
449 Correction to previous message.
451 . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.
455 . The primary name for MIT-EECS is now MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.
459 Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 30 OCT 85 21:49:06 EST
460 Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 21:50:20-EST
461 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
462 Subject: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878
463 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
464 cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
466 Have been updated to reflect the following changes:
468 . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.
469 . The nicknames MIT-DT and DT have been added.
471 . ZARQUON, HACTAR, PRAK, and SLARTIBARTFAST have been commented out
472 since they have not been speaking chaos for quite some time and
473 the continued existence in the host table as chaos hosts was
474 causing mail queued for them to go undelivered.
476 Chris: You should consider adding service entries to some of the hosts
477 in HSTFIX. In particular, MIT-SPEAKER, and a few others. Gail's
478 FTP checks this entry.
483 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 22 Oct 85 16:02:07 EDT
484 Date: Tue 22 Oct 85 16:04:03-EDT
485 From: William B. Ackerman <WBA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
486 Subject: sysnet;hstmit >
487 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
488 Message-ID: <12153215031.33.WBA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
490 I made a few minor changes to 2nd floor Explorers in SYSNET;HSTMIT >.
493 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 85 10:34:30 EDT
494 From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
495 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
496 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].663271.850930.PGS>
498 Does anyone know of an internet path either to inria or mcvax?
500 Received: from MIT-BORAX by MIT-MC.ARPA 13 Sep 85 11:59:48 EDT
501 Received: by MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7)
502 id AA19554; Fri, 13 Sep 85 12:01:06 edt
503 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 85 12:01:06 edt
504 From: romkey@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU (John Romkey)
505 Message-Id: <8509131601.AA19554@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU>
509 I've added a "new" host, MIT-BORAX-CHAOS, address 15101, temporarily
510 while I'm bringing up chaosnet on borax. Once I'm sure the chaos code
511 is stable I'll punt this name and just add a chaos address for BORAX.
514 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 85 20:46:58 EDT
515 From: Thye-Lai Tung <TLTUNG@MIT-MC.ARPA>
516 Subject: Change in Net Address
517 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
518 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].640485.850910.TLTUNG>
520 I changed the Chaosnet address of MIT-WAIF from 6420 to 12751.
524 Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 6 SEP 85 03:53:57 EDT
525 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1985 03:55 EDT
526 Message-ID: <PGS.12141023798.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
527 From: PGS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
528 To: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
529 cc: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
530 Subject: Have you seen these machines?
532 Alcator is a Vax at Alcator; it runs VMS. The last time I heard of someone
533 using it was a couple of years ago. PFC-VAX is another VMS VAX; it's at the
534 Plasma Fusion Center. PFC-Versatec is presumably a MINITS 11 running DCP's
535 Versatec code at Plasma Fusion Center. Cougar is the wrist controller for
536 the Puma robot arm; like Puma, it's an 11 running MINITS. It's in 905
537 (Robotics Group, of course). Golem is a 750 running VMS; it controls Ken
538 Salisbury's tendon hand; it's in the Lisp Machine corral. Robotics Group
541 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 5 Sep 85 16:41:57 EDT
542 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1985 16:04 EDT
543 Message-ID: <SRA.12140894256.BABYL@MIT-XX>
544 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX>
546 Subject: have you seen these machines
548 Thanks to everybody who responded. I now have all the machines pegged
549 except for ARMSTRONG and SARAH, and all that really matters in this
550 case is knowing that they don't belong to LCS, AI, Athena, EECS, or
551 Speech (of course, if somebody *does* know about these two I'd like to
556 Received: from MIT-VAX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 3 SEP 85 21:55:05 EDT
557 Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA08083; Tue, 3 Sep 85 21:50:00 edt
558 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 21:50:00 edt
559 From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
560 To: SRA@MIT-XX, info-hosts@mc
561 Subject: Re: Have you seen these machines?
563 PI is Ron Rivest's (original) 3600 and lives on the third floor
564 of Tech Sq. HARRIS-BRIDGE is a minits box dedicated to the
565 chaos link with Harris Corp. in Fla. It lives in the second
566 floor machine room and is tended by Rich Zippel and Bert Halstead.
569 Received: from mit-ems.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 3 Sep 85 19:32:32 EDT
570 Received: by mit-ems.ARPA (4.12/4.8) id AA23824; Tue, 3 Sep 85 19:33:03 edt
571 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 19:33:03 edt
572 From: Steven Haflich <smh@mit-ems.ARPA>
573 Message-Id: <8509032333.AA23824@mit-ems.ARPA>
575 Subject: Re: Have you seen these machines?
577 INFINITE is the building 8 chaos bridge, and is named after a certain
578 corridor. It connects subnets 017, 021, and 023(?). Most recently,
579 bcn@ee has maintained it.
581 WAIF is a VMS 750 belonging to Prof Antoniadis' group on the 3rd floor
582 of bldg 10. Contact tung@{waif,eddie} for details.
584 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 3 Sep 85 19:13:53 EDT
585 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1985 19:13 EDT
586 Message-ID: <SRA.12140404499.BABYL@MIT-XX>
587 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX>
589 Subject: Have you seen these machines?
591 I've been sorting through the MIT and NIC host tables to figure out
592 which labs/departments own which machines. Here's the last few that
593 nobody seems to recognize. If you know who these machines belong to,
594 please send me mail. Thanks....
596 ALCATOR ARMSTRONG COUGAR GOLEM
597 HARRIS-BRIDGE INFINITE MERLIN PFC-TEST
598 PFC-VAX PFC-VERSATEC PI SARAH
601 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 85 00:03:43 EDT
602 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
603 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
604 cc: MIT SUBNETS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA, jis@MIT-ATHENA.ARPA
605 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].624989.850827.JNC>
607 Not having heard any loud complaints, I moved the three unused
608 nets (LCS 4th Ether, WHOI nets) out of the area of conflict with
609 Athena. The LCS 4th Ether became 061/49. and the WHOI nets became
610 0160/0161 respectively. The leaves only the Building 11 Ethernet to
611 fix; it's CHAOS address of 0104 conflicts with the Main Campus Spine,
612 and it's IP address of 58. conflicts with the 7AI-2LCS link (!).
613 I also edited in some more information that Jeff Schiller
616 Received: from MIT-CCC by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 25 AUG 85 01:47:58 EDT
617 Date: 25 Aug 1985 01:47:51-EDT
619 To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, gill@MIT-CCC, jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA,
620 jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA
621 Subject: Re: host2 tables
622 Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
624 Based on the old one in syseng; the host2 table you generated had one small
633 Other than that, it went down smoothly. Although my host table parser
634 also deals with the so-called host3 format, I would like to switch over
635 to a domain system in the near future. What references are there on how
636 one should, and how others have already, implemented domain naming?
640 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 22:43:30 EDT
641 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
642 Subject: host2 tables
643 To: jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA, jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA,
645 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
646 In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 24 Aug 85 21:54:28 EDT from Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY at MIT-MC.ARPA>
647 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623378.850824.CSTACY>
649 SYSNET;HSTCHA HOSTS2 contains a sample HOSTS2 file generated by my
650 hack from HSTMIT. It contains only Chaosnet hosts. I am putting this
651 here in case you need it and want to pick it up right away before
652 learning how to create such files yourself.
654 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 19:40:41 EDT
655 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
656 Subject: New Host tables
658 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA, BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA
659 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623329.850824.CSTACY>
661 As I said, I don't think backing out of the binary was the right thing,
662 since only the QMAIL program uses that information, it's usually wrong,
663 and all it does is warn you that the site doesn't claim to support mail.
664 In fact, the system will send mail to sites which don't claim to support
665 the service. Since the information has not been used by anyone, I don't
666 think there has been a great effort to keep it correct. Backing up to
667 an older binary means that some valid hosts will be compeltely unknown,
668 and mail to hosts which have moved will be permanently lost. Moreover,
669 QMAIL is an ITS-only program (and hence an ITS bug) but the binary table
670 is used by some other sites (such as OZ.)
672 Anyway, I just went in and added the service lists to the dozen or so
673 sites which I think support mail but which didn't claim to, and created
676 I stuck the subnet stuff back into the HSTMIT host table source file
677 where it has always been; it was an oversight that I forgot to include
678 it in that one version.
680 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:51:28 EDT
681 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
682 Subject: New Host tables
683 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
685 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622549.850823.JNC>
687 The switch to the new host tables introduced a slight
688 problem in that CHAOS only hosts are now using an RFC810 format
689 instead of the old HOSTS format; the new format allows services
690 to be listed, and the old one did not. So, all CHAOS only hosts
691 are now listed without any services! This is causing some programs
692 (e.g. :MAIL) to complain. We have temporarily backed out of the
693 binary (*not* the source) of the new tables; someone will have
694 to go in and edit all the right services onto OZ, PYG, etc.
698 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:21:31 EDT
699 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
700 Subject: Subnet number info
701 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
703 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622522.850823.JNC>
705 I retrieved the subnet number information which used to
706 reside at the end of HSTMIT > and placed it in MITSN > in SYSNET.
708 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 09:48:50 EDT
709 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
710 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
711 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622460.850823.CSTACY>
713 The MIT host table is now consolidated into a single file again.
714 HSTMIT contains both Internet and Chaosnet hosts in extended RFC810 format.
715 Anyone needing a table in HOSTS2 format can contact me about a Common-lisp
716 hack I wrote to produce such things.
718 (There are still other files required to make a binary host table for
719 MIT-MC, and you should still not attempt to do that unless you really
720 know what you are doing.)
723 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 85 23:08:53 EDT
724 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
725 Subject: Symbolics subnets removed
726 To: MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
728 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622091.850822.JNC>
730 As I mentioned doing a while back, the Symbolics subnets have
731 been removed from the HSTMIT file. Also, a subnet was allocated to
732 the MIT<->YoyoDyne serial link.
733 Finally, would anyone object if I renumbered the 'LCS 4th
734 floor Ethernet' (which doesn't seem to have any hosts on it) away from
735 its current number (59.), since the range of subnet numbers from 58.
736 to 67. is occupied in the IP address space by some Athena networks
737 placed there by a beano in octal->decimal conversion (don't ask).
741 Received: from MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 5 AUG 85 22:57:30 EDT
742 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 85 22:56 EDT
743 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
745 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
746 Message-ID: <850805225603.2.RZ@ZERMATT>
748 This entry has been moved to HSTMIB now that it speaks both Chaos and
751 HOST : 18.26.0.95, CHAOS 4120 : MIT-VAX.ARPA,MIT-VAX,MIT-VX,VX : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SUPDUP,CHAOS/NAME,CHAOS/TIME,CHAOS/TELNET,CHAOS/SUPDUP,CHAOS/MAIL,CHAOS/CFTP :
753 Received: from MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 2 AUG 85 17:10:22 EDT
754 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 85 17:09 EDT
755 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
756 Subject: New Lisp machines
757 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
758 Message-ID: <850802170919.8.RZ@ZERMATT>
761 The following entries were added both to SYSNET;HOSTS and HSTMIT
763 HOST MIT-CHAMROUSSE, CHAOS 15326,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[CHAMROUSSE]
764 HOST MIT-FLUTE, CHAOS 15330,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[FLUTE]
765 HOST MIT-RTS-0, CHAOS 15331,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[MIT-RTS]
766 HOST MIT-RTS-1, CHAOS 15332,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[WARD,RTS-1]
767 HOST MIT-RTS-2, CHAOS 15333,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[CJT,RTS-2]
768 HOST MIT-RTS-3, CHAOS 15334,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[JMA,RTS-3]
769 HOST MIT-SARAJEVO, CHAOS 15325,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[SARAJEVO]
770 HOST MIT-VIOLIN, CHAOS 15327,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[VIOLIN]
772 Some other small changes were made to the NU entries. In particular,
773 TERMAN, WARD and JMA nicknames were moved to TERMAN-NU, WARD-NU and
774 JMA-NU. RZ nickname was deleted.
776 Received: from SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 23 Jul 85 08:18:20 EDT
777 Received: from NEPONSET.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 185013; Tue 23-Jul-85 07:07:28-EDT
778 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 85 07:09 EDT
779 From: David C. Plummer in disguise <DCP@SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA>
780 Subject: Symbolics subnets
781 To: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>, MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA
782 cc: Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
783 In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].585023.850722.JNC>
784 Message-ID: <850723070907.2.NFEP@NEPONSET.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
786 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 23:49:13 EDT
787 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
791 Unless I hear some complaints from the Symbolics people on
792 this list, since the CHAOS link to Symbolics is completely gone (and
793 the address spaces no longer even partially congruent) I'd like to
794 think about recycling the Symbolics subnets from the MIT subnet
795 table. How about it, guys, is this OK?
797 I believe all the namespaces involved have not communicated chaos
798 information for months. I know of no technical reasons not to reuse
802 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 22:37:34 EDT
803 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
804 Subject: Allocated MIT subnet
805 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
807 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].584942.850722.JNC>
809 The IP only subnet 124. is the Ethernet a Proteon.
811 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 85 12:01:27 EDT
812 From: Richard Mlynarik <MLY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
813 Subject: removed mit-pigpen from sysnet;hstmic and sysnet;hstmit
814 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
815 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].581655.850719.MLY>
817 This machine (really at Symbolix, Inc) no longer exists.
819 Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jul 85 13:17:49 EDT
820 Date: Wed 17 Jul 85 13:13:57-EDT
821 From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@MIT-XX.ARPA>
822 Subject: new host table entries
823 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
825 In HSTMIC, MIT-CAF-SWITCH-{0-3}, CHAOS 01270{0-3}
827 In HSTMIB, MIT-CAF.ARPA, CHAOS 12750, IP 18.21.0.232
829 I just edited the files. I did not compile the tables; I dont know how.
833 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 85 19:12:56 EDT
834 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
835 Subject: **** New Files ***
836 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
837 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].555778.850625.CSTACY>
839 The host tables have been slightly rearranged as follows.
841 SYSNET;HSTNIC - The official Internet host table from the NIC.
842 This is retrieved automatically from SRI-NIC each
843 evening. No one ever edits this file.
844 Hackers note: this file contains domain-style names
845 such as "MIT-MC.ARPA" and "PURDUE.EDU", which is
846 what everyone is (supposed to be) using now.
847 --- This is in RFC810 format (of course.)
849 SYSNET;HSTMIC - Hosts which are ONLY on the Chaosnet and no other
850 networks. This file does NOT include Chaosnet hosts
851 which are also on the Internet.
852 --- HSTMIC is currently in HOSTS2 format, although it will
853 probably be converted to modified RFC810* soon.
855 SYSNET;HSTMIB - Hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet.
856 The hosts in here are basically copies of certain HSTNIC
857 entries, but with Chaosnet addresses added.
858 Note that sites which are Chaosnet-only need HSTMIB also!
859 --- HSTMIB is in modified RFC810* format.
861 SYSNET;HSTMII - Hosts which are only on the Internet but which the NIC
862 does not know about. Since there probably shouldn't be
863 any such hosts, this file may disappear in the future.
864 The dozen hosts currently listed in here are being contacted
865 to see what they think is going on with their host names.
866 --- HSTMII is in HOSTS2 format.
868 * (Modified RFC810 format means that the address field may contain
869 keyword network specs. Example: "HOST : CHAOS 1440 : MIT-MC ...".
870 The HOSTS3 compiler understands this format.)
872 The file SYSNET;HSTMIT is now obsolete and outdated. Host additions
873 and changes should be made in the HSTMIC and HSTMIB files instead.
874 The new files are up to date (from HSTMIT 405 written this evening).
876 When you edit one of the files, be sure to send a note to everybody at
877 INFO-HOSTS describing your change. Do not try to compile the files
878 for MC; this will be done periodically by an ITS hacker.
884 PS. New host tables compiled and installed on MC.
886 Received: from MIT-SPEECH by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 25 JUN 85 17:42:36 EDT
887 Date: Tue 25 Jun 85 17:43:31-EDT
888 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
889 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
891 Added MIT-GAUGUIN @ chaos 15414. Whoever put MIT-GEEK after MIT-GOOFY,
892 please remember there are some programs around that care about
896 Received: from MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU by MIT-MC.ARPA 18 Jun 85 18:19:25 EST
897 Received: by MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7)
898 id AA20323; Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
899 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
900 From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
901 Message-Id: <8506182217.AA20323@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU>
902 To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
903 Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
904 In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT
906 Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has
907 Internet service but no chaosnet service.
911 Received: from MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU by MIT-MC.ARPA 18 Jun 85 18:19:25 EST
912 Received: by MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7)
913 id AA20323; Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
914 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
915 From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
916 Message-Id: <8506182217.AA20323@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU>
917 To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
918 Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
919 In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT
921 Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has
922 Internet service but no chaosnet service.
926 Received: from mit-ems.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jun 85 22:49:17 EST
927 Received: by mit-ems.ARPA (4.12/4.8) id AA00540; Mon, 17 Jun 85 22:48:00 edt
928 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 22:48:00 edt
929 From: Steven Haflich <smh@mit-ems.ARPA>
930 Message-Id: <8506180248.AA00540@mit-ems.ARPA>
931 To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
932 Subject: ZAXXON and XEVIOUS
934 These machines are 3600's in E15, the new Media Lab. The building
935 connects to the campus spine, thus is Internet. There are a couple
936 Chaos hosts in the building which can (and occasionally do)
937 communicate, but there is no Chaos connection to the outside world.
939 It may be in the future that the MINITS bridge ARCMAC-HUB will get
940 reconstituted in order to connect the ARCMAC Magic-6 hosts to
941 the real world again. If so, it might be necessary to boot it from
942 MIT-EMS, which is also in the building, and if so, MIT-EMS might
943 then assume MIT-MC's chaos address -- it's easier than cutting a
944 new rom for ARCMAC-HUB. For this and other reasons, we chose not
945 to publicise chaos hackery within E15. No one outside should ever
948 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 17:16:58 EDT
949 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
950 Subject: Mailer lossage was due to vandalized host table
951 To: BUG-COMSAT@MIT-MC.ARPA, MEYER@MIT-MC.ARPA, PSZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
952 RAY@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA,
953 smh@MIT-EMS, bandy@LLL-CRG.ARPA, kmp@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA,
954 Postmaster@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA
955 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
956 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547207.850617.CSTACY>
959 Disregarding my previous warnings that MC uses a special host table,
960 someone on 6/16 installed a bogus host table which broke the mail
961 system. (I believe the exact breakage was that the host table forgot
962 all about any hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet,
963 including MIT-MC.) I have de-installed the broken table, and mail is
964 flowing again. I resubmitted about 40 incorrectly failed messages
965 which the mail system had retained copies of, but an indetermintent
966 number of messags were mis-delivered or completely lost. I have
967 removed the command file used to create new host tables.
969 PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL ANY HOST TABLES ON MIT-MC.
973 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT
974 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
975 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
976 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547045.850617.CSTACY>
978 I wonder why ZAXXON and XEVIOUS have Internet addresses but no Chaosnet
979 addresses? Is this really true?
981 Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jun 85 11:29:59 EST
982 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
983 id AA12548; Mon, 17 Jun 85 11:29:49 edt
984 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
985 Message-Id: <8506171529.AA12548@mit-borax.ARPA>
986 Date: Jun 17, 1985 10:38am
990 I added the following hosts to HSTMIT >: MIT-LECTROID (YOYODYNE-GW,
991 MIT-EIGHTH-DIMENSION), MIT-LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN (LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN,
992 JOHN-WHORFIN), MIT-JOHN-BIGBOOTE (JOHN-BIGBOOTE, BIGBOOTE), MIT-JOHN-YAYA
993 (JOHN-YAYA, YAYA) and MIT-JOHN-SMALLBERRIES (JOHN-SMALLBERRIES, SMALLBERRIES).
994 These machines are all on the yoyodyne subnet, of course.
996 "Laugha while you can, monkey boy." - Lord John Whorfin
999 Received: from MIT-VAX by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 6 JUN 85 15:45:07 EDT
1000 Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA02628; Thu, 6 Jun 85 15:43:01 edt
1001 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 85 15:43:01 edt
1002 From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
1005 Added CONCERT-0 through CONCERT-7, changed the address of CONCERT-TEST
1007 Received: from MIT-ZERMATT by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 4 JUN 85 12:02:19 EDT
1008 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 85 12:00 EDT
1009 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
1010 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1011 Message-ID: <850604120026.9.RZ@ZERMATT>
1013 I renamed MIT-OVAL to MIT-CORNCOB, but did not recompile the
1014 host tables. MIT-CORNCOB is now in the Lispm namespace
1015 and OVAL has been deleted.
1017 Date: Tue, 28 May 85 10:39:54 EST
1018 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1019 Subject: note that MC is running with a funny HOSTS3 table
1020 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
1021 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].521491.850528.CSTACY>
1023 MIT-MC is running an experimental version of our mail system and
1024 certain other programs. This stuff uses a host table containing
1025 domain-style names and is not generated from the usual files.
1027 This means if you make any changes, compile and install them, they
1028 will not take effect on MC. Assuming everything works, at the end of
1029 the week the experimental stuff on MC will become the normal stuff.
1030 The procedure for hacking the host tables will be a little different
1033 (Also, I am working on getting a domain name resolver/server going on
1034 MC, and when that's up things will change yet again. Stay tuned!)
1036 Date: Mon, 27 May 85 20:43:42 EST
1037 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC>
1038 Subject: New HOST, tables not recompiled
1039 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1041 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].521097.850527.JNC>
1043 Added MIT-AI-GW, 26/10, the MIT-AI ARPANet gateway.
1045 Date: Tue, 21 May 85 11:21:17 EST
1046 From: S. Robert Austein <SRA@MIT-MC>
1047 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1048 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].512587.850521.SRA>
1050 Added MIT-OVAL (Imagen 12/300 printer) so that I don't have to type
1051 the address in octal every time the unix spooler flakes out.
1053 Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 15 May 85 20:57:34 EST
1054 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1055 id AA06477; Wed, 15 May 85 20:57:55 edt
1056 Date: Wed, 15 May 85 20:57:55 edt
1057 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1058 Message-Id: <8505160057.AA06477@mit-borax.ARPA>
1062 I added MIT-DB (MIT-DBS, DBS) to the tables.
1065 Received: from MIT-ZERMATT by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 13 MAY 85 10:25:23 EDT
1066 Date: Mon, 13 May 85 10:23 EDT
1067 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
1069 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1071 Message-ID: <850513102328.8.RZ@ZERMATT.MIT>
1073 Has been moved to Chaos 15322, so its internet address wouldn't conflict
1074 with Blue-Jeans (had been 15030).
1076 Date: Sat, 11 May 85 08:46:35 EST
1077 From: Gail Zacharias <GZ@MIT-MC>
1078 Sender: ___013@MIT-MC
1079 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1080 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].497408.850511.___013>
1082 I commented out mit-devmultics from hstmit, because it conflicts seriously (per
1083 hosts3 compiler) with info in the nic table.
1085 Received: from MIT-SPEECH by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 10 MAY 85 23:59:31 EDT
1086 Date: Sat 11 May 85 00:00:49-EDT
1087 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1088 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
1090 Added MIT-MONET, a lispm, at chaos 16230. Changed CADR26, etc., from
1091 nicknames for MIT-POLAR to nicknames for monet, which is the real
1092 cadr-26, polar being a symbolix LM2.
1095 Date: Thu, 2 May 85 19:20:02 EDT
1096 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC>
1098 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1100 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].482449.850502.JNC>
1102 Someone had typed in all the Student Center machines' subnet
1103 number in decimal when of course it needs to be in octal.
1105 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 85 23:52:28 EDT
1106 From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
1107 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1108 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].478647.850430.JIS>
1110 Added the AMT Ethernet and its hosts (subnet 125 octal 85 decimal).
1114 Received: from MIT-APIARY-7 by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 29 APR 85 14:01:08 EDT
1115 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 14:00 EDT
1116 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1117 Subject: Wait, it gets better.
1118 To: Alan Bawden <ALAN@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1119 cc: BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
1120 In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC].473710.850429.ALAN>
1121 Message-ID: <850429140021.2.CSTACY@APIARY-7>
1123 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 01:26:25 EDT
1124 From: Alan Bawden <ALAN@MIT-MC>
1126 I hope MIT-POSEIDON is ready to handle all the mail addressed to people who
1127 use the Foonly (POS) at Symbolics...
1129 This is because on 4/26/85 someone munged the HOSTS MASTER file and
1130 then compiled a new host table.
1132 Received: from STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by MIT-MC.ARPA; 24 APR 85 16:44:33 EST
1133 Received: from PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 222818; Wed 24-Apr-85 11:20:01-EST
1134 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 85 11:19 EST
1135 From: Charles Hornig <Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
1136 Subject: Symbolics host tables
1137 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, comp-fac@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM
1138 Message-ID: <850424111949.7.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
1140 The files HSTSYM and HSTSYI which contain information about Symbolics
1141 hosts should be deleted and references to them removed. Access to
1142 Symbolics hosts from now on should be through the Internet.
1145 Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:44:37 EST
1146 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC>
1147 Sender: CSTAC0@MIT-MC
1150 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1151 In-reply-to: Msg of Fri12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST from Richard Mlynarik <MLY>
1152 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452451.850412.CSTAC0>
1154 Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST
1155 From: Richard Mlynarik <MLY>
1158 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452440.850412.MLY0>
1160 reagan, amonst many other machines, is not believed to have a chaos
1163 REAGAN was put into the NIC's host table in a manner which collided
1164 with and supusersede its entry in the chaosnet hosts table.
1165 I "fixed" this. It will be really fixed in the domain system.
1167 Received: from MIT-VAX by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 11 APR 85 17:00:48 EST
1168 Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA19807; Thu, 11 Apr 85 17:00:02 est
1169 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 85 17:00:02 est
1170 From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
1172 Subject: mit-concert-test added
1174 I've added MIT-CONCERT-TEST (015375) to sysnet;hosts > and hstmit >
1176 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 15:50:42 EST
1177 From: S. Robert Austein <SRA@MIT-MC>
1178 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1179 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].447170.850408155233.SRA>
1181 Got rid of extraneous space in HSTMIT that broke compilation (grrr).
1183 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 01:58:55 EST
1184 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC>
1185 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1187 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].446299.850408020021.CSTACY>
1189 I gobbled subnet 54 (44.) for the ERL people in building E-34,
1190 whose ethernet will probably be connected to the rest of the
1193 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 85 16:48:51 EST
1194 From: Ramin D. Zabih <RDZ@MIT-MC>
1195 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1196 cc: staff@MIT-CHARON
1197 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445849.850407164937.RDZ>
1200 I have removed MIT-CHARON's chaosnet address until such time as the
1201 chaos net to building 11 gets fixed.
1203 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:47:49 EST
1204 From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
1205 Subject: SYSNET;HSTMIT 368
1206 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1207 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445261.850406225213.JIS>
1209 Removed MIT-ATHENA's chaosnet address as that portion of the
1210 ChaosNet is currently broken. This will force mail to go via the Internet.
1214 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:46:16 EST
1215 From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
1216 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1217 Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445257.850406224628.JIS>
1221 Date: 27 March 1985 00:05-EST
1222 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
1223 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1225 I added two new 3600's Breckenridge and Starling, deleted Tahoe.
1226 Please check to see if MIT-FRANK-SINATRA is in the right place.
1227 I thought the names were supposed to be alphabetical,and MIT-F-S is
1230 Date: 17 March 1985 00:07-EST
1231 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
1232 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1234 I added two harris hosts to the table, Harris-1 (a lisp machine)
1235 and Harris-Trantor a vax.
1237 Received: from MIT-SMOKEY by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 15 MAR 85 23:00:08 EST
1238 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 22:59 EST
1239 From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1241 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1242 Message-ID: <850315225931.5.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT>
1244 I changed its address and ran XFILE.
1246 Date: 15 March 1985 16:55-EST
1247 From: S. Robert Austein <SRA @ MIT-MC>
1248 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1250 Added HQ as alias for MIT-LCS-HQ (on request of MBJ).
1252 Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 7 MAR 85 22:47:12 EST
1253 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1254 id AA06259; Thu, 7 Mar 85 22:48:00 est
1255 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 85 22:48:00 est
1256 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1257 Message-Id: <8503080348.AA06259@mit-borax.ARPA>
1261 I added MIT-GEEK, MIT-NERD and MIT-WIMP, a trio of Sun workstations at
1262 LCS 32/221 through LCS 32/223. I also added MIT-SAURON at LCS 12/304.
1265 Received: from MIT-SMOKEY by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 03/06/85 21:35:12
1266 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 85 21:33 EST
1267 From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1268 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1269 Message-ID: <850306213354.1.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT>
1271 I added MIT-RENOIR and MIT-KOALA to HOSTS and HSTMIT, took away KOALA as
1272 a nickname for LM12, and changed addresses for Yogi and Panda, and ran
1273 XFILE. I also fixed the comment to say to do :XFILE SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE
1276 Date: 5 March 1985 17:42-EST
1277 From: S. Robert Austein <SRA @ MIT-MC>
1278 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1280 Removed LCS entry for MIT-VAX, since it is now Chaos-only.
1282 Date: 4 March 1985 18:05-EST
1283 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1284 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1286 Is everyone on this list really interested in tracking the changes
1287 in MIT's own private host tables? There is no problem if you are,
1288 but I just noticed that the list is quite large and contains mostly
1289 people on hosts which don't use our tables.
1291 Received: from by MIT-MC;4 March 1985 17:48-EST
1292 Date: Mon 4 Mar 85 11:15:59-EST
1293 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
1294 Subject: Current HOSTS2 format files
1295 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1296 Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341
1298 For those machines that still need HOSTS2 format files, you can get up
1299 to date versions from SYSTEM:HOSTS2.TXT and SYSTEM:HOSTS2.BIN (source
1300 and binary, respectively) by FTPing to XX and logging in as ANONYMOUS
1301 with any password. These files get generated automaticly by a batch
1302 job from our HOSTS3 table. Any host that doesn't fit into the HOSTS2
1303 format is omitted, but otherwise this contains all the hosts and nets
1304 in HSTMIT, HSTSYM, HSTSYI, and HSTNIC.
1306 Right now these are in the old format, with no ".ARPA" on the ends of
1307 Internet hostnames. When the MC source files change format, so will
1312 Date: 20 February 1985 02:34-EST
1313 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1314 Subject: NIC Host Tables
1315 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1317 Since I no longer need to hand-edit our version of the NIC host
1318 table (the HSTNIC file) to get local fixes, I have written and
1319 installed a system demon which will run on MC each day to keep our
1320 copy up to date automagically.
1322 So, if you compile the host tables here, be aware that the NIC table
1323 will be updated without human intervention and inspection. If the NIC
1324 table is broken or something (bad versions have been known to be
1325 released in the past) you may encounter errors. You should report
1326 these things to me, and I'll fix them (of course if if you are plenty
1327 damn sure you know what's going on you can fix it yourself.)
1332 Received: from MIT-GSTAAD by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 19 Feb 85 14:13-EST
1333 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 85 14:06 EST
1334 From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1336 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
1337 Message-ID: <850219140629.1.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT>
1339 I've added the address of Concert, Halstead's multiprocessor system, to
1341 HOST MIT-CONCERT, CHAOS 15376,SERVER,CONCERT,CONCERT,[CONCERT]
1343 Date: 13 February 1985 13:19-EST
1344 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
1345 Subject: SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE
1347 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1349 Chris - the host table installation xfile failed attempting to parse CSTACY;NEWHST 3
1350 at lines 59, 61, and 63. If you could fix whatever you're doing & install the
1351 new tables, I'd appreciate it.
1353 Changed MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to be internet-only host (removed chaos addresses).
1357 Date: 7 February 1985 16:46-EST
1358 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1359 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1360 cc: BCN @ MIT-MC, GILDEA @ MIT-MC
1362 New host tables generated, including latest NIC table.
1364 There is now a kludge for getting around host nickname
1365 collisions. The only host which I have fixed this way
1366 is MIT-EDDIE, which will now get the nickname EDDIE instead
1367 of giving it to UW-EDDIE. If you have a host with this problem,
1368 let me know and I'll fix it for you.
1372 Date: 4 February 1985 08:53-EST
1373 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1374 Subject: new host tables
1376 cc: RZ @ MIT-MC, CSTACY @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1377 In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST from Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS at MIT-MC.ARPA>
1379 You should switch over to the HSTMIT file; the HOSTS file is
1380 hopelessly out of date and has been for about two years.
1381 (There isn't any SU-TAHOE in the HSTNIC or HSTMIT files.)
1385 Date: Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST
1386 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1387 Subject: Re: new host tables
1389 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC, RZ@MIT-MC
1390 In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>" of Mon 4 Feb 85 07:52:43-EST
1392 It seems that in the new host table (HOSTS 834), the name TAHOE was a
1393 nickname for both MIT-TAHOE, and SU-TAHOE. This was causing problems
1394 compiling the table on EE. I removed the nicname TAHOE from SU-TAHOE
1395 in HOSTS 835. SU-TAHOE is the name of Stanford's dover.
1401 Date: 4 February 1985 07:43-EST
1402 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1403 Subject: new host tables
1404 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1407 New host tables generated on MC.
1408 Someone added a LispM named GARY-COOPER at the same Chaosnet address
1409 as NU-29, so I commented out NU-29. Someone should go and resolve
1410 this if they want NU-27 back on the network.
1413 Received: from MIT-GSTAAD by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 15 Jan 85 23:57-EST
1414 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 85 23:55 EST
1415 From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1416 Subject: Gary Cooper
1417 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1418 cc: Soley@MIT-MC.ARPA, ward@MIT-VAX.ARPA
1419 Message-ID: <850115235553.5.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT>
1421 I deleted NU-29 from the host table and replaced it with
1422 MIT-GARY-COOPER at the same address, with nicknames GARY and
1425 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1426 id AA09164; Mon, 14 Jan 85 15:02:03 est
1427 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 85 15:02:03 est
1428 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1429 Message-Id: <8501142002.AA09164@mit-borax.ARPA>
1433 I added MIT-SLUSH (18.26.0.130) to HSTMIT > and HOSTS >. I also added
1434 MIT-SLUDGE to HOSTS >. Before, it was only listed in HSTMIT.
1437 Date: Sat 12 Jan 85 16:04:49-EST
1438 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1439 Subject: New address for MIT-EDDIE
1440 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1442 CHAOS 12404 has been added for MIT-EDDIE in
1443 HSTMIT(339) and HOSTS(831).
1449 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1450 id AA08091; Tue, 1 Jan 85 20:53:26 est
1451 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 85 20:53:26 est
1452 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1453 Message-Id: <8501020153.AA08091@mit-borax.ARPA>
1455 Subject: two new hosts
1457 I added MIT-STORMWATCH and PROTEON to HSTMIT and HOSTS.
1460 Date: 30 December 1984 17:04-EST
1461 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1462 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1464 Added MIT-ZAXXON (LispM at arcmac or something like that).
1466 Date: 21 December 1984 22:27-EST
1467 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1468 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1470 New host tables installed on MC.
1472 Date: Wed 12 Dec 84 13:45:30-EST
1473 From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
1474 Subject: Re: Host table formats changing soon!
1475 To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
1476 cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
1477 In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>" of Sun 9 Dec 84 23:51:00-EST
1478 Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341
1480 I'm afraid XX is still using HOSTS > too, unless I am very
1484 Date: 10 Dec 1984 16:25:34-EST
1486 To: CSTACY@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
1487 Subject: Host table formats changing soon!
1489 Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file?
1490 You probably shouldn't be. The data in there is far from
1491 complete or accurate. Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different
1492 format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will
1493 probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.)
1495 Alas, HOST2 and the old "HOSTS >" format is still used by
1496 {several,many,most,all} Unix chaos systems. I'm not sure which of
1497 those adjective is accurate, but I know from personal inspection that
1498 at least one of them is true. If proper Unix hosts3 support exists,
1499 I'd like to know about it. If it has to be created, any volunteers?
1501 Steve Haflich, smh@mit-ems
1503 Date: Mon 10 Dec 84 04:59:31-EST
1504 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1505 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
1507 New HSTMIT, HOSTS > - moved MIT-AI to chaos 3130
1510 Date: 9 December 1984 23:51-EST
1511 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1512 Subject: Host table formats changing soon!
1513 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1516 In the near future, the format of the HSTNIC and HSTMIT host table
1517 files will be changing as part of the transition to the Internet name
1520 The HSTNIC file will reflect the official Internet host table at the
1521 NIC, which these days has hosts with domain names like "MIT-AI.ARPA".
1522 The hosts also have nicknames like "MIT-AI" (their pre-domain official
1525 The HSTMIT file will become a HOSTS3 (extended RFC810) format file,
1526 Internet hosts listed in this file will be renamed to correspond to
1527 their names in the HSTNIC file (ie., they will have ".ARPA" tacked on
1530 Note: Collisions between nicknames in the HSTNIC and HSTMIT file
1531 (e.g., MIT's EDDIE vs. UW's EDDIE) will probably not be solved by
1532 these changes, since their is no real domain name system underneath.
1534 If you are using the HOSTS3 compiler, you can at least compile the new
1535 files. You may have some trouble with software which thinks it knows
1536 about name domains. Of course, eventually a great deal of the world
1537 will have to be rewritten to use the name domain stuff in a fully
1538 general way, but that headache is still a little while off.
1540 Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file?
1541 You probably shouldn't be. The data in there is far from
1542 complete or accurate. Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different
1543 format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will
1544 probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.)
1546 Please direct any questions and problems to me.
1550 Date: 6 December 1984 00:02-EST
1551 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1552 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1554 New host tables installed on MC.
1556 Date: Wednesday, 5 December 1984, 14:13-EST
1557 From: Tom Cloney <Muse at MIT-OZ>
1558 To: INFO-HOSTS at MC
1560 CADR-19 has been given the additional nickname SARAH (Sarah Bernhardt).
1561 The appropriate files have been updated on OZ and MC.
1562 HSTNIC has not been altered.
1566 Date: 25 November 1984 21:43-EST
1567 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
1569 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1570 cc: RDZ @ MIT-MC, greg @ MIT-XX, iannucci @ MIT-XX
1572 Put MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY on the CHAOSnet at 15113 and 30330.
1576 Date: 17 November 1984 15:44-EST
1577 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1578 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1580 Latest host tables installed on MC.
1582 Date: Thu 15 Nov 84 18:07:16-EST
1583 From: George A. Boughton <GAB@MIT-XX.ARPA>
1585 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1587 Mit-vax, cadr-9, cadr-12, cadr-16, cadr-19, cadr-20, and
1588 cadr-29 have been removed from subnet 6 and placed on subnet 10.
1589 Their new addresses can be found in mc:sysnet;hstmit >.
1592 Received: from MIT-BUGS-BUNNY by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 15 Nov 84 10:23-EST
1593 Received: by bugs-bunny.mit.arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA18320; Thu, 15 Nov 84 10:20:33 est
1594 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 84 10:20:33 est
1595 From: Web Dove <dove@bugs-bunny>
1596 To: Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, MARTY@MIT-OZ,
1597 OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ
1598 Subject: Re: Number assignment conflict?
1601 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY@MIT-OZ>
1602 Subject: Number assignment conflict?
1605 I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output:
1607 Reading text file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MASTER.2
1608 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.NIC.394
1609 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYI.15
1610 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MIT.326
1611 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYM.59
1612 Processing tables...
1613 Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0
1615 I got the following error:
1617 Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE
1619 180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180
1620 1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file.
1622 Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question:
1624 HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : ....
1626 HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM ....
1628 Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0
1629 for some reason. In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it
1630 seems to be ignoring it.
1632 Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the
1633 probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix.
1635 The arpa numeric address standard calls for decimal numbers separated
1636 by dots. My understanding is that the numbers 18.20.subnet.host are
1637 used at mit to signify those host addresses which support chaos wrapped
1638 internet packets and can unwrap them. For those hosts, "subnet"
1639 corresponds to the chaos subnet number and "host" to the chaos host
1640 number. I directly translated chaos octal subnet 033 to decimal number
1641 27. in order to arrive at the addresses for bugs-bunny (18.20.27.17)
1642 and yosemite-sam (18.20.27.21). Both hosts also have raw internet
1643 packet addresses (18.27.0.17, 18.27.0.21).
1645 The HOSTS3 program must treat the first two numbers of addresses of the
1646 form 18.x as determining the subnet and the last two as determining the
1647 host. This will work for both addresses of the form 18.x.0.y and
1650 In fact, I think it was an error for me to send the 18.20.27.y addresses
1651 to sri-nic as they do not need to know them. Those addresses are only
1652 significant for the wrapping gateways around mit.
1655 Please send mail to me direct as I am not on any of the hosts mailing lists.
1657 Date: 14 November 1984 20:16-EST
1658 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1659 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1661 Latest host tables installed on MC.
1663 Received: from MIT-XX by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 14 Nov 84 13:18-EST
1664 Date: Wed 14 Nov 84 13:18:37-EST
1665 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-XX>
1666 Subject: Re: Number assignment conflict?
1667 To: MARTY@MIT-OZ, Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ
1669 In-Reply-To: Message from "Martin David Connor <MARTY@MIT-OZ>" of Wed 14 Nov 84 11:57:00-EST
1671 The problem here is that with the 'new' CHAOS wrapping scheme
1672 in use the third byte is in fact in use. HOSTS3 is incorrect in ignoring
1673 this. Yosemite and Riverside have addresses that are identical except
1675 The number of hosts that have that byte non-zero should be very
1676 small; they are the wrapping/unwrapping gateways. The only ones I know
1677 of that are actually running are Bugs, Gross, Riverside and Trillian.
1678 You could probably deleete the offending address for Sam without much
1683 Date: 14 Nov 1984 11:57 EST (Wed)
1684 Message-ID: <MARTY.12063527815.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
1685 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1686 To: Bug-HOSTS3%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
1687 OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
1688 Subject: Number assignment conflict?
1691 I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output:
1693 Reading text file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MASTER.2
1694 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.NIC.394
1695 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYI.15
1696 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MIT.326
1697 Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYM.59
1698 Processing tables...
1699 Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0
1701 I got the following error:
1703 Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE
1705 180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180
1706 1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file.
1708 Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question:
1710 HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : SYMBOLICS-3600 : LISPM : UDP/TIME,UDP/TFTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TELNET,TCP/TIME,UDP/FINGER,TCP/FTP :
1712 HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM,YOSEMITE-SAM : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TIME,TCP/DAYTIME,TCP/FINGER :
1714 Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0
1715 for some reason. In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it
1716 seems to be ignoring it.
1718 Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the
1719 probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix.
1722 Date: 13 November 1984 14:52-EST
1723 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
1724 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1726 Moved all Tanglewood Lispmachines to subnet 60.
1727 Deleted FLAME-OF-THE-FOREST.
1732 Date: 9 November 1984 13:26-EST
1733 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1734 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1736 New host table installed, including NIC and local changes.
1738 Received: from MIT-ZERMAT by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 8 Nov 84 22:41-EST
1739 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 84 22:38 EST
1740 From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1741 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1743 mc:sysnet;hstmit 321 and mc:sysnet;hosts 818 have the new chaosnet
1744 address of Aspen (15315) and the correct spelling of Zermatt.
1746 Date: 6 November 1984 15:01-EST
1747 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
1748 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1750 I've added two lisp machnes, zermatt and gstaad at 15316 and 15317.
1751 I didn't compile the table.
1753 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1754 id AA07961; Sun, 4 Nov 84 20:42:07 est
1755 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 84 20:42:07 est
1756 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1757 Message-Id: <8411050142.AA07961@mit-borax.ARPA>
1759 Subject: a free subnet
1761 I've freed up subnet 152 since I wasn't using it. First come, first
1765 Date: 4 November 1984 13:19-EST
1766 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
1767 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, RZ @ MIT-MC
1769 MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE was moved from subnet 32 to 72, thus giving its
1770 address an non-lethal injection of 20000 units of octal number.
1772 Date: 4 November 1984 13:05-EST
1773 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
1774 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1777 I took subnets 156 and 157 for Harris and defined the following
1778 hosts in HSTMIT and HOSTS. The first is the Harris end, the
1779 second the MIT end. I probably won't compile the host tables
1780 unless I find a great need to.
1782 HOST HARRIS-MIT-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 67402,CHAOS 67002],USER,MINITS,PDP11
1783 HOST MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 15040,CHAOS 67001],USER,MINITS,PDP11
1785 Date: 4 November 1984 12:51-EST
1786 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
1787 To: LWA @ MIT-MC, DCLARK @ MIT-MC
1788 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1790 We are running very short of "unused" Chaos subnets. For that
1791 matter, the last two "unused" subnets will be snarfed in a few
1792 minutes. The "Reserved for project Athena" subnets have been
1793 reserved for over a year now. As far as I can tell, only one of
1794 them has become real. Can we recycle some of them?
1796 Date: 1 November 1984 15:36-EST
1797 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
1798 Subject: HSTMIT/HOSTS change
1799 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1801 Added Lisp Machine Forest host MIT-JULGRAN (a Swedish tree) at CHAOS 15307.
1803 Date: 31 October 1984 19:24-EST
1804 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1805 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1807 Latest host tables installed on MC.
1809 Date: 25 October 1984 14:20-EDT
1810 From: Ramesh S. Patil <RAMESH @ MIT-MC>
1811 Subject: new host table generated
1812 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1814 The sysnet;hosts > and hstmit were edited but the xfile was not run when
1815 I added LM-12 to subnet-6. I just ran the :xfile to make the change happen.
1818 Date: 22 October 1984 17:19-EDT
1819 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
1820 Subject: Latest host table change
1821 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1823 Added Pomegranate (new Lisp Machine Forest 3670).
1824 Moved Oak, Flame, & Cherry to subnet 32.
1828 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1829 id AA00770; Mon, 22 Oct 84 15:43:53 edt
1830 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 84 15:43:53 edt
1831 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1832 Message-Id: <8410221943.AA00770@mit-borax.ARPA>
1834 Subject: mit-vax & mit-charmin
1836 I added an internet address to MIT-VAX (18.26.0.95) and a new host
1837 called MIT-CHARMIN (18.26.0.1) which is a printer.
1840 Date: 14 October 1984 20:43-EDT
1841 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1842 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1843 cc: dove @ MIT-BUGS-BUNNY
1845 Latest NIC host table installed on MC.
1846 I removed the SYLVESTER nicknames from BUGS since they collide with
1847 an ARPAnet machine's name (and choosing the name BUGS was to avoid
1850 Date: 10 October 1984 14:00-EDT
1851 From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
1852 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1854 Added two 3670's SID-VICIOUS at chaos 13061 and DUANE-ALLMAN at chaos 13063.
1856 Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 16:20-EDT
1857 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1858 Subject: 28 page host table too big?
1860 CC: BUG-TCP@MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
1863 I fetched the latest NIC host table and installed it on MC,
1864 and suddenly I couldn't get a DDT from OZ. I backed out, renaming it
1865 to SYSBIN;HOSTS3 TOOBG?, and was then able to SUPDUP in and get a DDT without
1866 it barfing and saying there was a PWORD bug. I bet the bug is it couldn't
1869 Anyway, someone should look at PWORD.
1872 Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 15:19-EDT
1873 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1874 Subject: Latest NIC host table
1875 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
1878 I retrieved it, and diked a few obvious hosts. Someone (CSTACY) should
1879 make a list of hosts that should have their nicknames diked, or make a
1880 program that does the right thing. It would help a lot.
1883 Date: 4 October 1984 18:05-EDT
1884 From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS @ MIT-MC>
1885 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1887 I generated new tables, moving MIT-HEPHAESTUS off subnet 6, to subnet 26.
1889 Date: 25 September 1984 17:43-EDT
1890 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1892 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1893 cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC,
1896 The latest host table (including HSTNIC #384) is compiled and installed.
1897 The HOSTS3 compiler is "fixed".
1899 HOSTS3 hackers: The compiler does not do the sort of dynamic memory
1900 allocation I had assumed. I was therefore able to make some more room in
1901 the ITS version simply by moving where in core the table was being
1902 constructed. I didn't calculate how much room is left over for new code
1903 or tables, but the increase should hold us for a while. Of course, we
1904 are racing against the rate of host additions on the various networks in
1905 our table (the Internet, the Chaosnet, etc.) Hopefully by the time we
1906 run out it will be time to implement a hairy namespace system.
1909 Date: 24 September 1984 13:07-EDT
1910 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1911 To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC
1912 cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1914 Well, I think we are finally out of address space.
1915 New host tables cannot be compiled anymore because
1916 they are too massive. People should not try to
1917 compile any changes until I get back to you,
1918 hopefully with a solution.
1920 Date: 14 September 1984 21:26-EDT
1921 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1922 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1924 Latest NIC table retrieved and installed.
1926 Date: 14 September 1984 21:03-EDT
1927 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1928 To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1930 The TCP; directory on MC is now called "SYSNET;".
1932 Date: 13 September 1984 02:54-EDT
1933 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1934 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1936 New NIC host table retrieved and installed.
1938 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 84 16:15 EDT
1939 From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1940 Subject: kodiak, smokey
1941 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1943 I added the lisp machine hosts
1946 to MC:TCP;HOSTS and HSTMIT
1949 Date: 7 September 1984 21:10-EDT
1950 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1951 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1953 Latest NIC table retrieved; tables compiled and installed on MC.
1955 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 84 22:54 EDT
1956 From: Chris Lindblad <cjl%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1957 Subject: Changes to mc:tcp;hosts >
1958 To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1960 I removed all synonyms of MIT-DM for the host MIT-MC.
1962 Date: 3 September 1984 17:59-EDT
1963 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
1964 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1966 Latest NIC table and other pending changes installed.
1967 MIT-TWEETY is now in the Internet.
1969 Date: 2 September 1984 15:16-EDT
1970 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY @ MIT-MC>
1971 Subject: Updated HSTMIT and HOSTS
1972 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
1975 Rearranged AI Lab concentrators. Suggest all 20's build new tables
1976 as soon as possible. Already done for OZ.
1979 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
1980 id AA07218; Thu, 30 Aug 84 13:14:56 edt
1981 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 84 13:14:56 edt
1982 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
1983 Message-Id: <8408301714.AA07218@mit-borax.ARPA>
1987 Two changes to the entry for MIT-MOTHER in hstmit and hosts. I've
1988 changed the address from LCS 32/42 to LCS 12/302 and I've commented it
1989 out in both files until the NIC gets the new address right.
1992 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 15:54 EDT
1993 From: Webster Dove <dove%MIT-BUGS-BUNNY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
1994 Subject: adding bugs-bunny
1995 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
1996 Fcc: BUGS-BUNNY: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox
1998 In order to ease the transition for sylvester to a new name, the
1999 nicknames "mit-bugs-bunny", "bugs-bunny" and "bugs" have been added to
2000 the description of mit-sylvester in hosts and hstmit.
2002 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 12:24 EDT
2003 From: Webster Dove <dove%MIT-SYLVESTER@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2004 Subject: nicknema sylvester for mit-sylvester removed
2005 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2006 Fcc: SYLVESTER: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox
2008 Removed from mc:tcp;hosts and hstmit to prevent conflict with
2009 cu-sylvester in hstnic.
2011 Date: Wed 15 Aug 84 16:53:18-EDT
2012 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2013 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2015 TCP;HOSTS 780 updates the entry for RUTGERS, which is completely
2016 irrelevant unless you need to talk to this machine through a
2021 Date: 15 August 1984 14:43-EDT
2022 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2023 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2025 Latest host tables compiled and installed on MC.
2026 Includes MIT-DM, a VAX (sigh).
2028 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 84 14:59 EDT
2029 From: Cory Myers <cory%MIT-SYLVESTER@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA>
2030 Subject: additional address for mit-sylvester
2031 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2033 MIT-SYLVESTER now responds to chaos 016241 as well as its old address of
2034 chaos 015421. It also serves as a chaos gateway between subnets 33 and
2035 34 in parallel with MIT-SPEECH-11.
2037 Files mc:tcp; hstmit and mc:tcp;hosts have been updated to reflect this
2041 Received: by mit-charon (4.12/4.7)
2042 id AA25342; Sun, 5 Aug 84 19:47:13 edt
2043 From: jis@mit-charon (Jeff Schiller)
2044 Date: 5 Aug 1984 1947-EDT (Sunday)
2045 To: info-hosts@mit-mc
2046 Subject: HSTMIT modified.
2048 To indicate that MIT-APHRODITE is now at ChaosNet address 42014.
2052 Date: 4 August 1984 20:43-EDT
2053 From: Robert P. Krajewski <RPK @ MIT-MC>
2055 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2058 The version numbers of the files concerned are HSTMIT 258 and HOSTS 778.
2059 We'll edit the namespace object when CADR15 decides to come up...
2061 Date: 4 August 1984 20:41-EDT
2062 From: Robert P. Krajewski <RPK @ MIT-MC>
2063 Subject: Chaos Address for MIT-PI changed
2064 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2067 Old: 13010 (Subnet 26 (AI Ethernet), Host 010)
2068 New: 15314 (Subnet 32 (LCS Ethernet), Host 314)
2070 Date: 3 August 1984 11:08-EDT
2071 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2072 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2073 cc: CRE @ MIT-MC, BEN @ MIT-MC, CJL @ MIT-OZ, DANIEL @ MIT-OZ,
2076 I installed the latest NIC table, and discovered a new name conflict:
2077 someone else has a SYLVESTER, so I manually removed their nickname.
2079 People should be careful to remember that hosts whose entries appear
2080 in multiple tables must match. I found several offending entries with
2081 conflicting ARPAnet addresses between the HSTMIT and HSTNIC table,
2082 conflicting host nicknames, and different machine types. If the
2083 HOSTS3 compiler gets confused and thinks that different machines with
2084 the same name are being talked about in different files, it will throw
2085 away some or all of the information for those hosts.
2087 Mistakes (which I have corrected) in the HSTMIT table had
2088 removed PREP and TINMAN from the Chaosnet!
2090 Also added SANCHO-PANZA (a 3d floor 3600) to the Chaosnet.
2092 Installed the tables on MC and ML.
2096 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 84 09:16 EDT
2097 From: "Christopher C. Stacy" <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2098 Subject: host tables
2099 To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2101 The source for the host tables has moved from the SYSENG;
2102 directory to the TCP; directory, which is a little less crowded.
2103 Latest NIC table installed.
2107 Date: Thu 12 Jul 84 16:28:34-EDT
2110 Sender: GAB%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
2111 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2114 I have changed the entries for ne43-2a in hosts and hstmit to include
2115 its new subnet 6 address of 3162.
2118 Date: 10 July 1984 17:23-EDT
2119 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2120 Subject: new host tables
2121 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2123 I installed the latest host tables on MC, including a new NIC table.
2125 Date: 29 June 1984 01:15-EDT
2126 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2127 Subject: latest host table installed
2128 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2129 cc: BUG-MAIL @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC
2131 I have compiled and installed the latest host tables
2132 on MC and ML. Things (such as the HOSTS3 compiler
2133 and QMAIL) should be working now; please let me
2134 know if anything blows up.
2137 Date: Thu 28 Jun 84 19:59:34-EDT
2138 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2139 Subject: New addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and MIT-BYPASS
2140 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2142 SYSENG; HSTMIT 243 and
2145 Have been updated to include subnet 25 addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and
2146 MIT-BYPASS. In addition to its old addresses, MIT-EECS-11 now resides
2147 at chaos 12542, and MIT-BYPASS at 12530.
2153 Date: 27 June 1984 12:13-EDT
2154 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2155 Subject: despite my previous warnings
2156 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2159 Whoever installed the latest host tables on MC broke alot
2160 of system programs. It was someone who uses the CSR directory.
2161 Keep your fucking hands off, please.
2163 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2164 id AA01059; Wed, 27 Jun 84 11:45:37 edt
2165 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 84 11:45:37 edt
2166 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2167 Message-Id: <8406271545.AA01059@mit-borax.ARPA>
2169 Subject: host table change
2171 I added a chaosnet address for mit-coke.
2174 Date: 23 June 1984 18:19-EDT
2175 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2176 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2178 No one should compile new host tables on ITS until some
2179 bugs in various system programs are worked out.
2180 The most recent valid files are SYSBIN;HOSTS2 726 and HOSTS3 403.
2181 The ones after that (HOSTS2 LATEST and HOSTS3 LATEST) correspond
2182 to the most recently updated host table source files and required
2183 modifications to the HOSTS3 compiler to produce. Sadly, they have
2184 pushed the memory limits of assorted system programs and cannot
2185 be installed yet. I'll send another message when things are
2188 Date: 23 June 1984 17:39-EDT
2189 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2190 Subject: Host name "Harvard" doesn't work right
2191 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2192 cc: MRC @ SU-SCORE, bug-mailer @ MIT-OZ, bug-mm @ MIT-OZ, RMS @ MIT-OZ
2193 In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 23 Jun 84 14:13:42-PDT from Mark Crispin <MRC at SU-SCORE.ARPA>
2195 I removed the nickname HARVARD from the MINITS machine (Harvard
2196 Bridge?) at Symbolics, so that Harvard University can be called
2197 "Harvard" and so many users would be less confused.
2199 Date: Mon 18 Jun 84 20:34:52-EDT
2200 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2201 Subject: Zarquon, Prak, Hactar, and Slartibartfast
2202 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
2204 The followiwng have been added to HSTMIT 239 and HOSTS 764:
2206 MIT-SLARTIBARTFAST Chaos 12422
2207 MIT-PRAK Chaos 12423
2208 MIT-ZARQUON Chaos 12424
2209 MIT-HACTAR Chaos 12425
2211 These are the 4 client computers in the building 38 Athena Cluster.
2215 Date: Thu 14 Jun 84 11:13:23-EDT
2216 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN@MIT-XX.ARPA>
2217 Subject: MIT-TRILLIAN
2218 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
2219 cc: Staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA
2227 Add mit-trillian at chaos address 12421, a VAX-11/750 Running 4.2.
2228 It is the first Athena machine running in building 38.
2231 Date: 13 June 1984 14:48-EDT
2232 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2233 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2235 New NIC table installed.
2237 Date: Thu 7 Jun 84 03:19-EDT
2238 From: Michael J. Konopik <ZZZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2239 Subject: you wanted this...
2240 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2243 I just changed HOSTS > and HSTMIT > to reflect the fact that HTJR (TINMAN)
2244 still runs VMS. The claim that it runs UNIX was screwing up CFTP.
2248 Date: 6 June 1984 17:58-EDT
2249 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC @ MIT-MC>
2251 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2254 Now that Atari Cambridge has gone belly up, should the Atari numbers
2255 be recycled? Who is competent to know whether or nott these numbers are still
2258 Date: 6 June 1984 17:47-EDT
2259 From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC @ MIT-MC>
2260 Subject: Subnets assigned
2261 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2264 Subnets 64 and 65 (octal) have been assigned to the MIT-Proteon
2265 link and the main ring out at Natick respectively. I hope the fact that
2266 they were marked as 'unused' in HSTMIT > means those numbers really were
2269 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2270 id AA04901; Wed, 6 Jun 84 14:09:34 edt
2271 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 84 14:09:34 edt
2272 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2273 Message-Id: <8406061809.AA04901@mit-borax.ARPA>
2275 Subject: Mother and Cub
2277 I removed two nicknames for MIT-MOTHER and added MIT-CUB to hstmit and
2281 Date: 2 Jun 1984 04:21 EDT (Sat)
2282 Message-ID: <MARTY.12020180156.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
2283 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2284 To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
2285 Subject: New host tables
2288 Well, being rather bored, I decided to teach myself to get new host
2289 tables from the NIC and compile host tables on MC.
2291 I did the following things. I think they are right, but would
2292 appreciate any suggestions for a better way:
2294 - Ran CSTACY;HOSTS to retrieve the lastest NIC table
2296 - Did :XFILE SYSENG;HOSTS XFILE to create the tables
2298 - Got the following cruft printed out:
2300 Nickname WARD for Internet site WASHINGTON is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2301 Nickname ROCKY for Internet site CU-ROBOTICS is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2302 Nickname MERLIN for Internet site PURDUE-MERLIN is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2303 Nickname LARRY for Internet site UW-BLUECHIP is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2304 Nickname FORD for Internet site FORD1 is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2305 Nickname EDDIE for Internet site UW-EDDIE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2306 Nickname COYOTE for Internet site SU-COYOTE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2307 Nickname ARTHUR for Internet site PURDUE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
2309 - Went back in, and hand edited out the DUPS from the NIC table,
2310 and wrote back out the table to the same version (349).
2312 - Compiled the table again, noticing that the NIC had now made
2313 MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY the primary name for MIT-FLA. Of course
2314 HSTMIT still had MIT-FLA as the primary name, so HOSTS2 bitched.
2316 - Edited HSTMIT to make it consistent with HSTNIC.
2318 - Compiled the tables one last time.
2320 I wasn't sure if ALL the dup nicknames usually got edited out, but it
2321 seemed like the right thing for local use.
2323 Anyway, if I did something wrong, someone can fix it, and please let
2324 me know so I don't do it again.
2329 Date: Thu 31 May 84 18:03:14-EDT
2330 From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2331 Subject: HoG and Franky-Mouse
2332 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2334 The long awaited EE ether loop is now alive.
2336 HSTMIT 228 and HOSTS 758 have been changed.
2338 Franky-Mouse: Subnet 7 host 10 (3410)
2339 Subnet 25 host 10 (12410)
2341 Heart-of-Gold: Subnet 25 host 42 (12442)
2345 Date: 27 May 1984 02:00-EDT
2346 From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS @ MIT-MC>
2347 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2349 HSTMIT 225... Added MIT-ATHENA on the ChaosNet...
2353 Date: 27 May 1984 01:57-EDT
2354 From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS @ MIT-MC>
2355 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2359 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2360 id AA01763; Fri, 25 May 84 15:26:24 edt
2361 Date: Fri, 25 May 84 15:26:24 edt
2362 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2363 Message-Id: <8405251926.AA01763@mit-borax.ARPA>
2365 Subject: three changes
2367 Hi. I've added two hosts to the tables: MIT-BLUE-APOLLO and MIT-GOOFY.
2368 I've also allocated a subnet (151) for some IP speaking Apollo machines
2372 Date: 25 May 1984 09:26-EDT
2373 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2374 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2376 Latest NIC table retrieved and compiled on MC.
2378 Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 22 May 84 16:48-EDT
2379 Date: Tuesday, 22 May 1984, 16:45-EDT
2380 From: Chris Lindblad <cjl at MIT-OZ>
2381 Subject: Change to MIT host table
2382 To: info-hosts at MIT-OZ
2384 mc:syseng; hosts > and mc:syseng; hstmit > have been modified.
2385 The operating system on MIT-HERMES has changed from VMS to UNIX.
2387 Date: 22 May 1984 03:42 EDT (Tue)
2388 Message-ID: <MARTY.12017289445.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
2389 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2390 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
2391 Cc: OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
2392 Subject: Slight frob to HSTMIT and HOSTS
2395 In order to make HOSTS3 happy, I had to set the official name of
2396 MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to MIT-FLA, since that's what it was in HSTNIC.
2398 If the NIC table ever gets the new apparent official name for FLA,
2399 then it will be ok to change the MIT tables.
2402 Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-YUKON via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 41801; Mon 21-May-84 12:25:41-EDT
2403 Date: Mon, 21 May 84 12:25 EDT
2404 From: Charles Hornig <Hornig@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA>
2406 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2407 Message-ID: <840521122524.2.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics>
2409 I brought over the most recent NIC host table, but didn't recompile
2410 HOSTS3 because I was worried at the apparent resurrection of MIT-AI
2411 (running ITS on a KS10). If AI is really coming back, someone can go
2412 ahead and install it. If it isn't, someone should tell the NIC.
2414 Date: Sat 19 May 84 19:22:16-EDT
2415 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2416 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2418 HOSTS 747 and HSTMIT 213 modify XI, the XX net-11. Remove from SN6, add
2419 to SN32 (15020), change OS to MINITS, remove nickname "NFE", whee.
2422 Date: 17 May 1984 18:09-EDT
2423 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2426 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, TAFT @ MIT-MC, TK @ MIT-MC, AI-KL @ MIT-OZ,
2428 In-reply-to: Msg of 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT from Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH>
2430 I have sent in the update which renames MIT-AI-RESERVED (on IMP 6) to
2431 MIT-AI, and removes the "AI" nicknames from MIT-OZ (on IMP 77, but
2432 this entry is commented out.)
2434 Date: 17 May 1984 15:24-EDT
2435 From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS @ MIT-MC>
2436 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2438 I added a new Chaos host on subnet 32, MIT-NE43-2B-HUB, and regenerated the
2441 Date: 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT
2442 From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
2443 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2445 I removed the aliases MIT-AI and AI from MIT-OZ in HOSTS > and HSTMIT >.
2446 Somebody (read cstacy) might want to have the NIC remove it from OZ's
2447 commented out entry in HSTNIC in the eventuality that oz ever makes it
2450 Date: 16 May 1984 17:33-EDT
2451 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2452 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2454 No one should install a host table on MC without removing the
2455 naming ambiguities for the names "MERLIN", "EDDIE", and "FORD".
2457 Date: 16 May 1984 16:12-EDT
2458 From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
2459 Subject: new host table
2460 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2462 Latest NIC host table (346).
2464 Date: Tuesday, 15 May 1984, 03:27-EDT
2465 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
2467 To: John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>
2468 Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
2469 In-reply-to: The message of 9 May 84 16:00-EDT from John G. Aspinall <JGA>
2470 The message of 23 January 84 10:13-EST from <JGA>
2472 Added nickname "PFC" to MIT-PFC-VAX in the source.
2474 Date: Thu 10 May 84 23:14:17-EDT
2475 From: Robert H. Myhill <ROBERT@MIT-XX.ARPA>
2476 Subject: please take me off of this mailing lists
2477 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2480 Could someone out there please take me off of the
2481 info-hosts mailing list/
2487 Date: 6 May 1984 23:34-EDT
2488 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2489 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2491 New host table installed, including latest NIC table.
2493 Date: Sat 5 May 84 18:25-EDT
2494 From: Michael J. Konopik <ZZZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2496 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2498 I just added MIT-DIOXIN to the host tables. It is CCC's new terminal
2499 concentrator. Just thought you'd like to know...
2503 Date: 29 Apr 1984 17:56:58-EDT
2504 From: walter at mit-htvax
2508 Commented out MIT-RTS.
2510 Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 10847; Mon 23-Apr-84 12:52:40-EST
2511 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 84 12:47 EST
2512 From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-STONY-BROOK@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA>
2513 Subject: HSTSYM changes
2514 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2515 Message-ID: <840423124752.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics>
2517 I moved the nickname SCRC from SCRC-TENEX to SCRC-STONY-BROOK.
2519 Date: 12 April 1984 08:11-EST
2520 From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
2521 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2523 Changed 128.31.x.x hosts to 18.20.x.x pending the NIC update.
2525 Date: 11 April 1984 18:46-EST
2526 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2527 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2529 New host table installed on MC.
2531 Date: 10 Apr 1984 07:42:57-EST
2533 To: info-hosts@mit-mc
2534 Subject: Master host tables broken
2536 There are two problems in the current host tables. The guilty parties
2537 will know who they are:
2539 [MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] is trivially broken by the mysterious addition
2540 of a newline in the middle of MIT-MARVIN.
2542 [MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] lacks the most recent updates appearing in
2543 [MC;SYSENG;HSTMIT 201]. Should not the MIT data in these files be
2544 maintained in parallel?
2546 HEY! Let's be *careful* out there!
2548 Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 9910; Tue 10-Apr-84 04:59:23-EST
2549 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 84 05:03 EST
2550 From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-STONY-BROOK@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA>
2551 Subject: HOST changes
2552 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2553 Message-ID: <840410050348.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics>
2555 I adjusted SCRC-RIVERSIDE's addresses to reflect the new gateway
2556 situation and added the Athena machines which are now accessible.
2558 Date: 9 April 1984 21:39-EST
2559 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
2560 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2562 Installed MIT-NU-0 thru MIT-NU-29 at their correct Chaos addresses.
2564 Date: 7 April 1984 19:40-EST
2565 From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
2566 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2568 I've added mit-nu0 through mit-nu29 now that they are on the net.
2570 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2571 id AA03946; Thu, 5 Apr 84 22:45:23 est
2572 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 22:45:23 est
2573 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2574 Message-Id: <8404060345.AA03946@mit-borax.ARPA>
2576 Subject: fla & wild-blue-yonder & such
2579 I've uncommented wild-blue-yonder, deleted fla's conflicting net
2580 address and recompiled the host tables.
2582 I don't mean to harp on the point, but I'm sure that I fixed it when I
2583 was updating the tables the first time. I am at least sure that I
2584 editted hstmit > twice but there's only one copy before Marty's update
2585 bearing my name at the top. So I think that the fixed version got lost
2586 somewhere (is that sufficiently vague?). I am careful when I change the
2590 Date: 5 Apr 1984 21:43 EST (Thu)
2591 Message-ID: <MARTY.12005176464.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
2592 From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2593 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
2594 Cc: Romkey@MIT-BORAX.ARPA
2595 Subject: MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER
2598 This machine had the same address as MIT-FLA in HSTMIT.
2599 This made it impossible to compile a new host table.
2600 I commented it out until someone does it right.
2605 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2606 id AA01686; Thu, 5 Apr 84 16:21:28 est
2607 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 16:21:28 est
2608 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2609 Message-Id: <8404052121.AA01686@mit-borax.ARPA>
2611 Subject: additions to the host tables
2613 I just added MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER, MIT-BIG-BLUE, MIT-BLUE-LIGHT and
2614 MIT-BLUE-DANUBE to the hstmit > and hosts >. I also had to delete the
2615 subnet 26 address for MIT-FLA because MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER is really
2616 just a name for the other interface on fla. It's all Bob Iannucci's
2620 Date: 1 April 1984 22:01-EST
2621 From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
2622 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2624 HOSTS 731 and HSTMIT 191 add MIT-ASPEN and MIT-TELLURIDE,
2625 3600's and comments out MIT_VAXLET which some twit put at
2626 a conflicting address with SCRC-PEACE.
2628 Date: 30 March 1984 14:06-EST
2629 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2630 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2631 cc: MOON @ SCRC-TENEX
2633 Would someone from Symbolics please correct their host
2634 tables (remove duplicate-address entries)? The host
2635 tables cannot be compiled in the current state.
2637 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 1984 19:55 EST
2638 Message-ID: <UC.GDS.12003059596.BABYL@MIT-EECS>
2639 From: Greg Skinner <UC.GDS@MIT-EECS>
2640 To: Gail Zacharias <GZ@MIT-OZ>
2641 Cc: bug-mail@MIT-OZ, ee.mp@MIT-OZ, smh@MIT-EMS, STRAZ@MIT-OZ, info-hosts@MC
2642 Subject: mailing to athena
2643 In-reply-to: Msg of 28 Mar 1984 16:47-EST from Gail Zacharias <GZ at MIT-OZ>
2645 There are a few easy ways out of this mess (some easier than
2648 1. Somebody add mit-athena, and athena, as nicknames for charon,
2649 unless there's some special reason why that shouldn't be done.
2651 2. Steve, if you were using MM, and did
2653 to: "mit-athena!tony"@mit-eddie,
2655 I believe MM would have converted it properly for MMAILR to use it.
2656 (Is that so, Gail? If not, we have a serious problem here.) If you
2657 didn't, you don't have to put quotes around the foreign address,
2658 because the quotes are there so MM won't interpret the ! as a comment.
2659 (Correct me again Gail if I'm wrong.)
2661 3. In general, you should try to find other means besides using UUCP
2662 to send mail which you want delivered in a hurry. (It looked from the
2663 message as if you expected it to get there immediately.) UUCP mail is
2664 more than a magnitude of order slower than CHAOS mail, which means
2665 that it probably would have taken a day or so for your message to get
2666 to mit-athena (if it ever got there -- you'd be surprised at how often
2667 UUCP mail gets lost). I don't see any reason why they are not
2668 accepting chaos mail anyhow, seeing as they're on the chaosnet, that
2669 sort of goes along with the territory.
2671 Date: 22 March 1984 00:47-EST
2672 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2673 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2675 Latest NIC table installed.
2677 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2678 id AA05041; Fri, 16 Mar 84 16:52:14 est
2679 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 84 16:52:14 est
2680 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2681 Message-Id: <8403162152.AA05041@mit-borax.ARPA>
2683 Subject: hstmit additions
2685 I added two hosts, MIT-GUANO (it's Steve Ward's fault!) and MIT-CJT,
2686 both ibm pc's, to hstmit > and hosts >.
2689 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 84 06:39 EST
2690 From: "Christopher C. Stacy" <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2691 Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10
2692 To: "David A. Moon" <Moon%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2693 Cc: BUG-FTP@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, KLOTZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
2694 Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2695 In-reply-to: The message of 29 Feb 84 15:41-EST from David A. Moon <Moon at SCRC-TENEX>
2697 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST
2698 From: David A. Moon <Moon%SCRC-TENEX at MIT-MC.ARPA>
2699 ftp. Really, it's user-interface brain death. You see it used
2700 to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't. We expected
2701 without thinking that it would. (I think that was it anyway; transfering
2702 in ascii rather than 36bit). It's not like it lies or anythign, but
2703 that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who
2704 really looks at spastic program printout anyway....
2705 Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from
2706 "PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080". Thus FTP can no
2707 longer tell when a machine is a pdp10. Probably this was imposed on us by
2708 the NIC. Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or
2709 all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the
2712 Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix.
2714 I just changed FTP to think that things which run ITS, WAITS, TOPS10,
2715 TOPS20, TENEX, and FOONEX are PDP-10s.
2717 From: Leigh L. Klotz <KLOTZ @ MIT-MC>
2718 To: BUG-FTP @ MIT-MC
2720 ASCII retrieve of <dir>FILE.EXT.2 started.
2721 twice whenever I use FTP to a twenex site? I haven't had occasion
2722 to use it with any other type of site.
2724 I think I have also fixed this bug.
2726 Date: 9 March 1984 19:13-EST
2727 From: Charles Frankston <CBF @ MIT-MC>
2728 Subject: Project Athena Vaxen & Large Chaos subnet numbers
2729 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2731 Two Project Athena Vaxen have been added to HSTMIT table as Chaos only
2734 They are MIT-CHARON, Chaos address 042015 and MIT-APOLLO, Chaos address
2735 042013. APOLLO is not actually on the chaos net yet, but probably will
2736 be in time, along with another dozen or two Project Athena machines.
2738 Some of you may have noticed that these machines are on Chaos subnet
2739 104o. This subnet is 11d higher than any previously active subnet on the
2740 MIT-Chaos net. This is due to various places which have reserved subnets
2741 not yet operational or connected to the main MIT Chaos net.
2743 This subnet is not reachable by a large number of Chaosnet hosts due to
2744 their routing tables being too small. I have fixed the bridges
2745 MIT-INFINITE and MIT-BYPASS, which merely needed recompiling. However,
2746 there are other bridges and hosts that should have their routing tables
2747 enlarged. In partcular the front end 11 for every 20 on campus, MIT-VAX
2748 and I imagine many other Unix hosts.
2750 Note that Chaos subnet 104o=68d, whereas the Athena machines all think
2751 they are on Internet subnet 18.58.xx.xx. I understand that there was once
2752 an attempt to maintain a correspondence between MIT internet subnet and
2753 Chaos subnet numbers. Apparently Project Athena was originally assigned a
2754 set of subnets starting at 58d, but when these were claimed by groups, no
2755 one bothered informing the Athena staff. This doesn't represent any
2756 problem yet, if it ever will, as there is no Internet link from the Athena
2757 machines to the rest of the Internet.
2759 I would also make a plea that if people increase their routing table sizes
2760 they go straight to 122d (172o). This is the number of subnet entries
2761 that will fit in the maximum size routing packet. It's real hard to
2762 figure out that no one can talk to your subnet because your routing
2763 packets are being ignored.
2765 Date: 6 March 1984 21:44-EST
2766 From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
2767 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2769 Installed MIT-GOLDILOCKS a 3600 at chaos address 15470.
2771 Date: 6 March 1984 03:34-EST
2772 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2773 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2775 Latest NIC table installed on MC.
2777 Received: from SCRC-MERRIMACK by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 8509; Mon 5-Mar-84 08:30:35-EST
2778 Date: Monday, 5 March 1984, 08:36-EST
2779 From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-QUABBIN@MIT-ML.ARPA>
2780 Subject: SYMBOLICS-3600
2781 To: "David C. Plummer" <DCP@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2782 cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-ML.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2783 In-Reply-To: The message of 25 Feb 84 15:07-EST from David C. Plummer <DCP at MIT-MC>
2784 Message-ID: <840305083652.1.Hornig@QUABBIN.SCRC.Symbolics>
2786 Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST
2787 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
2789 Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
2790 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
2792 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2793 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2795 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2796 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2797 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2798 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2799 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2801 Charlie, what's the story here?
2803 (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
2804 vacation for another week or so.)
2806 Ignore me. I should have read all my mail first.
2808 Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
2809 From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
2811 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2813 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2814 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2817 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2818 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2819 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2820 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2821 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2823 SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess
2824 that is the new convention...
2826 When I first had SCRC-Peace added to the NIC host table, I told them
2827 that it was a Symbolics 3600. They assigned the machine type
2828 "SYMBOLICS-3600" to it. I followed their lead from then on.
2830 Date: 3 March 1984 13:16-EST
2831 From: Daniel J. Carnese <DJC @ MIT-MC>
2832 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2834 MIT-LCS-HQ is now at LCS 12/200.
2836 Date: Thu 1 Mar 84 15:42:02-EST
2837 From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2838 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
2839 cc: smh%MIT-EDDIE@MIT-MC.ARPA
2842 HOSTS 724 and HSTMIT 170 add Chaos sites MIT-EMS (6401), MIT-HAYDN (6402),
2843 and MIT-WAIF (6420). Additionally, MIT-INFINITE (bldg 8 bridge) has grown
2846 Subnet vultures will note that this constitutes the (re)activation of
2847 subnet 15 as part of the Big Picture.
2851 Received: from SCRC-EUPHRATES by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Wed 29-Feb-84 15:42:10-EST
2852 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST
2853 From: "David A. Moon" <Moon%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
2854 Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10
2855 To: bug-ftp@MIT-MC.ARPA
2856 Cc: gsb@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
2858 ftp. Really, it's user-interface brain death. You see it used
2859 to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't. We expected
2860 without thinking that it would. (I think that was it anyway; transfering
2861 in ascii rather than 36bit). It's not like it lies or anythign, but
2862 that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who
2863 really looks at spastic program printout anyway....
2864 Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from
2865 "PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080". Thus FTP can no
2866 longer tell when a machine is a pdp10. Probably this was imposed on us by
2867 the NIC. Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or
2868 all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the
2871 Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix.
2873 Date: Sun 26 Feb 84 22:28:29-EST
2874 From: John T. Wroclawski <JTW@MIT-XX.ARPA>
2875 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, bcn%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA
2878 HOSTS 723 and HSTMIT 169 add MIT-MATH-HUB at chaos 7740 (SN17, 340),
2879 a MINITS box out at the end of Bldg 2.
2881 It appears there is life out there after all.
2884 Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST
2885 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
2887 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX,
2888 LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX
2890 Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
2891 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
2893 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2894 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2896 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2897 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2898 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2899 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2900 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2902 Charlie, what's the story here?
2904 (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
2905 vacation for another week or so.)
2907 Ignore me. I should have read all my mail first.
2909 Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
2910 From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
2912 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2914 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2915 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2918 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2919 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2920 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2921 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2922 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2924 SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess
2925 that is the new convention...
2927 Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
2928 From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
2929 To: Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX
2930 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX
2932 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2933 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2935 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2936 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2937 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2938 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2939 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2941 Charlie, what's the story here?
2943 (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
2944 vacation for another week or so.)
2946 Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
2947 From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
2949 cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2951 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2952 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2955 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2956 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2957 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2958 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2959 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2961 SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess
2962 that is the new convention...
2964 Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
2965 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2966 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2969 The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
2970 on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes
2971 the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
2972 HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should
2973 decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
2975 Date: 21 February 1984 04:07-EST
2976 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
2977 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
2979 Latest NIC table installed on MC and ML.
2981 Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
2982 id AA03676; Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est
2983 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est
2984 From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
2985 Message-Id: <8402120535.AA03676@mit-borax.ARPA>
2986 To: info-hosts@mit-mc
2987 Subject: additions to hstmit
2989 Well, addition. I added mit-pluto, another ibm pc. I also changed the
2990 host type for mit-borax from vax to vax-11/750 so that lisp machines
2991 wouldn't complain that it was different from the type in the nic name
2996 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1984 23:21 EST
2997 Message-ID: <CJL.11990776310.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
2998 From: CJL%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
2999 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
3001 I have changes mc:syseng;hstmit > and mc:syseng;hosts > :
3003 Chaosnet host MIT-PREP now is at Chaosnet addresses 13016 and 3413.
3006 Date: 8 February 1984 18:31 EST
3007 From: Patrick A O'Donnell <PAO @ MIT-MC>
3008 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
3010 Added MIT-COUGAR at CHAOS 3033. Did not compile.
3012 Date: 8 February 1984 15:24 EST
3013 From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
3015 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
3017 Added MIT-MAHOGANY (HO) to the Lisp Machine Forest.
3018 Moved MIT-NETLEAF-HACKBERRY to subnet 26..
3022 Date: 2 February 1984 01:32 EST
3023 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
3024 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
3026 Latest NIC host table installed on MC and ML.
3028 Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST
3029 From: roger at mit-dspg
3030 To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
3031 Subject: Re: new host table available
3033 I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas
3034 upon becoming an official member of the community. I thought
3035 after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what
3036 it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed
3037 to draw out of it. Several of us would beg to differ, however, on
3038 the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as
3039 a further nickname. Many many thanks regardless!
3043 Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST
3044 From: roger at mit-dspg
3045 To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
3046 Subject: Re: new host table available
3048 I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas
3049 upon becoming an official member of the community. I thought
3050 after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what
3051 it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed
3052 to draw out of it. Several of us would beg to differ, however, on
3053 the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as
3054 a further nickname. Many many thanks regardless!
3058 Date: 23 January 1984 15:50 EST
3059 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
3060 Subject: sufferin' succotash
3061 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, roger @ MIT-DSPG
3063 I corrected the spelling of PUDDYTAT on the source.
3065 Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:32-EST
3066 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
3068 To: John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>
3069 Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
3070 In-reply-to: The message of 23 Jan 84 10:13-EST from John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>
3072 Date: 23 January 1984 10:13 EST
3073 From: John G. Aspinall <JGA @ MIT-MC>
3074 Could I petition for the nickname "PFC" to be changed to apply to
3075 MIT-PFC-VAX (a server) and not MIT-FUSION (a terminal concentrator).
3077 I removed the "PFC" and "PFC-11" nicknames from the PLASMA concentrator,
3078 in the source. Will take effect next time there is a significant update.
3080 Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:06-EST
3081 From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
3082 Subject: new host table available
3083 To: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
3084 Cc: roger at mit-dspg, dove at mit-dspg, root at PUTTYTAT
3085 In-reply-to: The message of 12 Jan 84 09:24-EST from roger at mit-dspg
3087 I added MIT-SYLVESTER, a DSPG VAX running Unix at 15421 on the Chaosnet.
3088 Has nicknames SYLVESTER, PUTTYTAT, and SYL. Updated host tables on MC
3089 and ML (someone should copy them to OZ and XX, etc.)
3093 Date: 18 January 1984 10:53 EST
3094 From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
3095 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
3097 Copied NIC:<NETINFO>HOSTS.TXT.325 to MC and recompiled tables.
3099 Date: 10 Jan 1984 18:04:41-PST
3100 From: romkey@MIT-BORAX
3101 Real-name: John L. Romkey
3103 Subject: name table additions
3105 I added two hosts, MIT-PEPSI and MIT-SELTZER, to hstmit on mc.
3108 Date: 9 Jan 1984 21:52:52-PST
3109 From: romkey@MIT-BORAX
3110 Real-name: John L. Romkey
3112 Subject: added two hosts
3115 I added two hosts (MIT-COKE and MIT-DR-PEPPER, two Now machines) to
3119 Received: from SCRC-CHARLES by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Wed 4-Jan-84 20:29:22-EST
3120 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 84 20:33 EST
3121 From: "David C. Plummer" <DCP%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
3122 Subject: Some machines really do care what garbage gets put in databases...
3123 To: Hostmaster@SRI-NIC.ARPA
3124 Cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA,
3126 In-reply-to: The message of 31 Dec 83 17:46-EST from David C. Plummer <DCP at SCRC-TENEX>,
3127 The message of 4 Jan 84 17:15-EST from lwa at MIT-CSR
3129 Please remove the TCP/SUPDUP service entry from MIT-BORAX; BORAX does
3130 not currently (and has never to my knowledge) had a SUPDUP server.