Copyright (c) 1999 Massachusetts Institute of Technology This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:15:02 EST From: Rob Austein Subject: Athena chaos address fakeout, HOSTS3 compiler broken. To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].851075.860314.SRA> 1) The chaosnet address of ATHENA in the newest HSTMIT is a lie. The address listed is really a different project athena machine. ENS@ATHENA and I did this because Athena itself is off the chaosnet for an indefinite time due to hardware lossage beyond their control. So this way mail will get through without having to go via MC, but trying to SUPDUP or TELNET to Athena via chaos will lose. Sorry. 2) The HOSTS3 compiler has run out of address space again, so it won't be possible to generate new HOSTS3 binary files until I figure out some new class of hosts or nicknames that can be safely pruned from HSTNIC. PDP10s (and vaxen who port HOSTS2.TXT files from XX or OZ) beware.  Received: from CAF.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 14 MAR 86 16:09:27 EST Return-Path: Received: by mit-caf.MIT.EDU (5.9/MIT.1x) on Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:08:57 EST; User info-hosts@mc; Host mc Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:08:57 EST From: Mike McIlrath To: info-hosts@mc, jis@athena Cc: kmware@mit-caf Subject: please add host Please add host "bogart", a microvaxII running unix (with the usual accoutrements). IP 18.62.0.234 CHAOS 12752 Thanks.  Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 22 FEB 86 00:33:19 EST Date: Sat, 22 Feb 86 00:34:55 EST From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: Re: bad address To: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15545.860222.CENT> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller) To: "Pandora B. Berman" Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST Subject: Re: bad address Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct. -Jeff the line HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP :: in my previous msg was from MC:SYSHST;HSTMIT >. indeed, the following are in MC:SYSHST;HSTNIC > : HOST : 18.86.0.4 : XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP : TCP/SMTP : HOST : 18.86.0.6 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN : IBM-4341 : VM : TCP/TELNET,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FTP : but the host-finding, given the evidence, is running off HSTMIT.  Received: from BITSY.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 21 Feb 86 22:56:35 EST Received: by BITSY.MIT.EDU (5.15/4.7) id AA04021; Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Message-Id: <8602220344.AA04021@BITSY.MIT.EDU> To: "Pandora B. Berman" Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST Subject: Re: bad address Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct. -Jeff  Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 21 FEB 86 21:42:04 EST Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: Re: bad address To: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15471.860221.CENT> To: "Pandora B. Berman" Cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: bad address Date: 20 Feb 86 11:54:35 EST (Thu) From: kevin%harvard@harvard.HARVARD.EDU The problem is that the message is addressed to sloan.mit.edu, not to xv.mit.edu. Please fix the list so that you're really mailing to header-people-incoming@xv.mit.edu. Kevin Crowston Postmaster, xv.mit.edu a couple days ago i sent you this mail indicating that i had just done so: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 86 05:03:25 EST From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2 To: kevin@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 31 Dec 85 15:22:51 EST From: kevin@harvard.HARVARD.EDU (Kevin Crowston) To: header-people-request@mit-mc.arpa Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2 Sorry about the previous confusion.... Anyway, here's our hoped for schedule for the change over: immediately the host "mit-sloan.mit.edu", internet address [18.86.0.4] will be identifying itself as "xv.mit.edu". This weekend, I hope, the MIT name server will be updated to know that "xv.mit.edu" is really [18.86.0.4]. (It turns out that the only person in the universe who can make this change has been on vacation all this time, so this hasn't happened yet.) I will mail another letter as soon as I hear that the nameserver is up-to-date. The current time table says that by 15 January, "mit-sloan.mit.edu" will be the name of a different machine, so I hope that the changes in the various mailing list will have been made by then. Once again, sorry for the confusion; I hope the too hasty change hasn't started mail bouncing all over the net. kevin@harvard.arpa kevin%xv.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (soon) kevin%mit-sloan.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (now) i recently noticed that SLOAN has aqcuired XV as an alternate name, or nickname, or whatever, so have just implemented your above request for address change. it took me -this long- to grasp the pun; i must be slowing down. at that time i had in fact changed your entry; until i commented it out yesterday, this is how it read: (header-people-incoming @XV) ; req. of Kevin@SLOAN Crowston 1sep85 now, this is what the host table says about the host in question: HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP :: the host table thinks XV and SLOAN are the same thing. clearly the host table, not the Header-People list, is what is confused. i suggest that you arrange to have the host table fixed with respect to the Sloan host(s).  Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Feb 86 13:56:21 EST Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1986 13:55 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU cc: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: tables broken again NEWTON is now listed in both HSTAI and HSTG. Massive lossage.  Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 13 Feb 86 05:02:45 EST Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1986 05:03 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: Cretinous lossage Some pinhead put a bunch of EECS hosts into the HSTAI table (presumably by putting them into Reagan's namespace). This causes the host table compiler to barf, since the culprit didn't get all the names right and there are primary name mismatches. Host tables will be disfunctional until this is fixed at the source, since I am not about to start a namespace war with a Lisp Machine. Chris, you might want to install a filter in Reagan's table dump program so that it won't propagate this kind of lossage. --Rob  Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 4 Feb 86 21:13:37 EST Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1986 21:14 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, postmaster@VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU now listed as Chaos-only host I commented out the IP address for VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU (VX). As the person responsible for keeping the LCS tables in some state that vaugely reflects reality, I just went ahead and did this by fiat without waiting for VX's owners to give me permission (or more accurately, I timed out while waiting for a useful answer to my queries). This change will affect the MIT HOSTS3 and HSTMIT files (and anything that is generated from them) and the LCS.MIT.EDU domain. It will *not* affect the NIC tables, so we can change things back quietly if/when VX's TCP/IP code becomes reliable enough to use for mail on a regular basis. Anybody who wants to change this back please talk to me first. There are some issues involved that are not readily apparent.  Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 31 Jan 86 22:55:44 EST Date: Fri 31 Jan 86 22:56:40-EST From: Michael B McIlrath Subject: [Communications Satellite : Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST] To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12179777611.35.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 30 Jan 86 16:21-EST Date: Thu, 30 Jan 86 16:21:31 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST To: "MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU"@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].801937.860130> ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "INFO-HOST" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 30 Jan 86 15:05:56 EST Date: Thu 30 Jan 86 13:04:36-EST From: Michael B McIlrath Subject: mit-caf To: info-host@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12179407684.24.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> MIT-CAF's internet address is 18.62.0.232, not 18.21. Thanks. --mike ------- -------  Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 28 JAN 86 21:55:59 EST Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 21:55:35 EST From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: SYSNET;HSTMIT ? To: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.MIT.EDU cc: INFO-Hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].12019.860128.CENT> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST From: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: sysnet;hstmit To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some time in generating my host table. It seems as this file is no longer to be found in the same location on mc. This is not surprizing considering that mc is sort of going away. Where is this file currently? Is it going to be updated any longer? If you don't know about this, do you know anyone who does? the file has been moved in the SYSHST; directory -- SYSHST;HSTMIT is what you should now look for. SRA@XX is doing most of the work here on host-table related things now, so you should direct questions about its status to him.  Received: from CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 28 Jan 86 11:30:43 EST Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST From: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: sysnet;hstmit To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <860128162939.998026@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA> Hi there, I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some time in generating my host table. It seems as this file is no longer to be found in the same location on mc. This is not surprizing considering that mc is sort of going away. Where is this file currently? Is it going to be updated any longer? If you don't know about this, do you know anyone who does? Thanks, John Mills  Date: Thu, 16 Jan 86 18:52:50 EST From: Rob Austein Subject: MC binary host table To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, NAMECALLERS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].786028.860116.SRA> I turned off the code that was generating the names like MIT-foo.MIT.EDU and foo.MIT.EDU (for hosts that are in some other domain, ie, AI or LCS). This was necessary because COMSAT was completely out of address space and I needed the few K this freed up just to keep COMSAT running. This means that (1) host tables will be a little smaller, and that (2) it is possible that you will be unable to reply to hosts that are still using these names (nobody should be, but they still linger in some dark corners). If you need a table that has all this cruft, you can get the binary from XX:HOSTS3.BIN and the text form of HSTMIT from XX:HSTMIT.TXT. Sorry for the short (one might even say negative) notice, but this was an emergency fix. --Rob  Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 85 07:16:06 EST Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1985 07:14 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, namecallers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: New host tables installed on MC. The new tables that have been running on XX on an experimental basis have now been installed on MC and AI. A few things to note: At CSTACY's request, the tables no longer live in MC: SYSNET; because the directory got too crowded. All the text files have been moved to MC: SYSHST;. The old versions of the host tables are still present in SYSNET; on the off chance that we have to back out of this, but they will be going away soon. The binary host table of course is still in SYSBIN;. There is a little bit of documentation in some of the files in SYSHST; ask me if you need help, I would much rather have to answer a lot of silly questions than have to pick up the pieces if somebody breaks all this. For those who deleted my last warning on this subject, the new host table is significantly larger than the old one. Some programs on your machine will probably barf and need to be recompiled. Sorry. Problems, flames, etc to me and NAMECALLERS. --Rob  Date: Tue, 17 Dec 85 16:30:06 EST From: Rob Austein Subject: WARNING: host tables changing tonight To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Reply-To: sra@mc Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].758370.851217.SRA> I am going to try installing the new domain-style host tables on MC (and possibly AI) tonight. I will send out another message when this is done. In the meantime, anybody who is automaticly snarfing tables off of MC should beware, since various weird things may happen.  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 2 Dec 85 20:39:00 EST Date: Mon 2 Dec 85 14:49:53-EST From: "J. Noel Chiappa" Subject: Re: Impending host table format change To: Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12163960357.23.JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA> One other thing we should try and tackle in an organised fashion is allocation of host numbers on wires. Right now, it's done by looking through the host tables, which aren't organized in any useful fashion for this; in addition, some people chose a number, look to see if anyone has that number in protocol family X, and don't check to see if anyone is using it in family Y, with the result that a single host number winds up on two machines, with all the attendant hassle. Shawn keeps files for the LCS Ring and Ether, but they aren't publicy known about. It would be good if we had files for all the wires which random people hang new things on somewhere. Any ideas? Noel -------  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 28 Nov 85 03:07:47 EST Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1985 03:05 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA Reply-To: Namecallers@MC Subject: Impending host table format change I am in the final stages of debugging the various filters, etc to implement the compartmentalization of the MIT host tables. For those who aren't in on this already, HSTMIT is being split up into several smaller files that map one to one with Internet domains (AI.MIT.EDU, LCS.MIT.EDU, ATHENA.MIT.EDU, etc). The new host tables are actually complete right now, and reside in MC: SYSNET;. Don't anybody try to use them yet though (you would have to work very hard to do so anyway). There is even a little documentation for them as wants it, in MC: SYSNET; HSTNEW README. I'll be testing this for a little while on XX before mucking with the MC binaries, but that will happen fairly soon (within two weeks) if nothing major goes wrong. Anyone who uses the MC host tables at all is hereby warned that something is almost certain to break on your machine when this change goes into effect. The most probably cause is the sheer size of the new table. The complete HOSTS3 table (HSTNIC + all the things that used to be in HSTMIT) will be significantly bigger (how much depends on what measure you use; the big change is a lot more nicknames for MIT hosts, some fairly long). A lot of this is temporary; far too many existing programs have assumptions about primary hostnames hardwired into them, so this part of the changeover has to be done in stages. Obviously there are a lot of tradeoffs here; questions or suggestions on this should go to NAMECALLERS@MC rather than all of INFO-HOSTS. For now, anybody who edits MC: SYSNET; HSTMIT > should also edit the appropriate subdomain file. If you aren't sure what to do, just make sure to tell me what changes you made and I'll update the appropriate file. I will send another message to INFO-HOSTS when I start the actual changeover on MC, but I wanted to make sure that people had some advance warning about this. --Rob  Date: Wed, 13 Nov 85 23:41:20 EST From: Rob Austein Subject: HSTMIT table fixed (again) To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].717323.851113.SRA> I changed the primary name of MIT-MORRISON to MIT-MORRISON.ARPA. People, please note that the primary hostname in HSTMIT *must* match the primary hostname in HSTNIC (if the machine is in HSTNIC at all, of course). If you break this rule you will also break the HOSTS3 compiler and thus all six PDP10s. Also, if anybody edits HSTMIT in the near future, please send me mail even if you don't send any to INFO-HOSTS for some reason. I am going to be bringing up a current set of tables for the brave new world of domains and if you make changes without telling me they won't show up in the new tables. --Rob  Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 30 OCT 85 23:06:53 EST Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 23:08:16-EST From: Clifford Neuman Subject: Re: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: Message from "Clifford Neuman " of Wed 30 Oct 85 22:23:14-EST Correction to previous message. . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT. should be: . The primary name for MIT-EECS is now MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT. ^ -------  Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 30 OCT 85 21:49:06 EST Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 21:50:20-EST From: Clifford Neuman Subject: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Have been updated to reflect the following changes: . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT. . The nicknames MIT-DT and DT have been added. . ZARQUON, HACTAR, PRAK, and SLARTIBARTFAST have been commented out since they have not been speaking chaos for quite some time and the continued existence in the host table as chaos hosts was causing mail queued for them to go undelivered. Chris: You should consider adding service entries to some of the hosts in HSTFIX. In particular, MIT-SPEAKER, and a few others. Gail's FTP checks this entry. ~ Cliff -------  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 22 Oct 85 16:02:07 EDT Date: Tue 22 Oct 85 16:04:03-EDT From: William B. Ackerman Subject: sysnet;hstmit > To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <12153215031.33.WBA@MIT-XX.ARPA> I made a few minor changes to 2nd floor Explorers in SYSNET;HSTMIT >. -------  Date: Mon, 30 Sep 85 10:34:30 EDT From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].663271.850930.PGS> Does anyone know of an internet path either to inria or mcvax?  Received: from MIT-BORAX by MIT-MC.ARPA 13 Sep 85 11:59:48 EDT Received: by MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7) id AA19554; Fri, 13 Sep 85 12:01:06 edt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 85 12:01:06 edt From: romkey@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU (John Romkey) Message-Id: <8509131601.AA19554@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: "new" host I've added a "new" host, MIT-BORAX-CHAOS, address 15101, temporarily while I'm bringing up chaosnet on borax. Once I'm sure the chaos code is stable I'll punt this name and just add a chaos address for BORAX. - john  Date: Tue, 10 Sep 85 20:46:58 EDT From: Thye-Lai Tung Subject: Change in Net Address To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].640485.850910.TLTUNG> I changed the Chaosnet address of MIT-WAIF from 6420 to 12751. - Thye-Lai Tung  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 6 SEP 85 03:53:57 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1985 03:55 EDT Message-ID: From: PGS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: Rob Austein cc: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Have you seen these machines? Alcator is a Vax at Alcator; it runs VMS. The last time I heard of someone using it was a couple of years ago. PFC-VAX is another VMS VAX; it's at the Plasma Fusion Center. PFC-Versatec is presumably a MINITS 11 running DCP's Versatec code at Plasma Fusion Center. Cougar is the wrist controller for the Puma robot arm; like Puma, it's an 11 running MINITS. It's in 905 (Robotics Group, of course). Golem is a 750 running VMS; it controls Ken Salisbury's tendon hand; it's in the Lisp Machine corral. Robotics Group again.  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 5 Sep 85 16:41:57 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1985 16:04 EDT Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: info-hosts@mc Subject: have you seen these machines Thanks to everybody who responded. I now have all the machines pegged except for ARMSTRONG and SARAH, and all that really matters in this case is knowing that they don't belong to LCS, AI, Athena, EECS, or Speech (of course, if somebody *does* know about these two I'd like to hear it...). --Rob  Received: from MIT-VAX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 3 SEP 85 21:55:05 EDT Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA08083; Tue, 3 Sep 85 21:50:00 edt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 21:50:00 edt From: Jeff Arnold To: SRA@MIT-XX, info-hosts@mc Subject: Re: Have you seen these machines? PI is Ron Rivest's (original) 3600 and lives on the third floor of Tech Sq. HARRIS-BRIDGE is a minits box dedicated to the chaos link with Harris Corp. in Fla. It lives in the second floor machine room and is tended by Rich Zippel and Bert Halstead.  Received: from mit-ems.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 3 Sep 85 19:32:32 EDT Received: by mit-ems.ARPA (4.12/4.8) id AA23824; Tue, 3 Sep 85 19:33:03 edt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 19:33:03 edt From: Steven Haflich Message-Id: <8509032333.AA23824@mit-ems.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: Re: Have you seen these machines? INFINITE is the building 8 chaos bridge, and is named after a certain corridor. It connects subnets 017, 021, and 023(?). Most recently, bcn@ee has maintained it. WAIF is a VMS 750 belonging to Prof Antoniadis' group on the 3rd floor of bldg 10. Contact tung@{waif,eddie} for details.  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 3 Sep 85 19:13:53 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1985 19:13 EDT Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: info-hosts@mc Subject: Have you seen these machines? I've been sorting through the MIT and NIC host tables to figure out which labs/departments own which machines. Here's the last few that nobody seems to recognize. If you know who these machines belong to, please send me mail. Thanks.... ALCATOR ARMSTRONG COUGAR GOLEM HARRIS-BRIDGE INFINITE MERLIN PFC-TEST PFC-VAX PFC-VERSATEC PI SARAH WAIF  Date: Tue, 27 Aug 85 00:03:43 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: MIT SUBNETS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA, jis@MIT-ATHENA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].624989.850827.JNC> Not having heard any loud complaints, I moved the three unused nets (LCS 4th Ether, WHOI nets) out of the area of conflict with Athena. The LCS 4th Ether became 061/49. and the WHOI nets became 0160/0161 respectively. The leaves only the Building 11 Ethernet to fix; it's CHAOS address of 0104 conflicts with the Main Campus Spine, and it's IP address of 58. conflicts with the 7AI-2LCS link (!). I also edited in some more information that Jeff Schiller provided.  Received: from MIT-CCC by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 25 AUG 85 01:47:58 EDT Date: 25 Aug 1985 01:47:51-EDT From: gill@MIT-CCC To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, gill@MIT-CCC, jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA, jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA Subject: Re: host2 tables Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Based on the old one in syseng; the host2 table you generated had one small error: NET CHAOS 7, should be NET CHAOS, 7 Other than that, it went down smoothly. Although my host table parser also deals with the so-called host3 format, I would like to switch over to a domain system in the near future. What references are there on how one should, and how others have already, implemented domain naming? - Gill  Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 22:43:30 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: host2 tables To: jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA, jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA, gill@MIT-CCC cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 24 Aug 85 21:54:28 EDT from Christopher C. Stacy Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623378.850824.CSTACY> SYSNET;HSTCHA HOSTS2 contains a sample HOSTS2 file generated by my hack from HSTMIT. It contains only Chaosnet hosts. I am putting this here in case you need it and want to pick it up right away before learning how to create such files yourself.  Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 19:40:41 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: New Host tables To: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA, BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623329.850824.CSTACY> As I said, I don't think backing out of the binary was the right thing, since only the QMAIL program uses that information, it's usually wrong, and all it does is warn you that the site doesn't claim to support mail. In fact, the system will send mail to sites which don't claim to support the service. Since the information has not been used by anyone, I don't think there has been a great effort to keep it correct. Backing up to an older binary means that some valid hosts will be compeltely unknown, and mail to hosts which have moved will be permanently lost. Moreover, QMAIL is an ITS-only program (and hence an ITS bug) but the binary table is used by some other sites (such as OZ.) Anyway, I just went in and added the service lists to the dozen or so sites which I think support mail but which didn't claim to, and created a new binary table. I stuck the subnet stuff back into the HSTMIT host table source file where it has always been; it was an oversight that I forgot to include it in that one version.  Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:51:28 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: New Host tables To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622549.850823.JNC> The switch to the new host tables introduced a slight problem in that CHAOS only hosts are now using an RFC810 format instead of the old HOSTS format; the new format allows services to be listed, and the old one did not. So, all CHAOS only hosts are now listed without any services! This is causing some programs (e.g. :MAIL) to complain. We have temporarily backed out of the binary (*not* the source) of the new tables; someone will have to go in and edit all the right services onto OZ, PYG, etc. Noel  Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:21:31 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Subnet number info To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622522.850823.JNC> I retrieved the subnet number information which used to reside at the end of HSTMIT > and placed it in MITSN > in SYSNET.  Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 09:48:50 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622460.850823.CSTACY> The MIT host table is now consolidated into a single file again. HSTMIT contains both Internet and Chaosnet hosts in extended RFC810 format. Anyone needing a table in HOSTS2 format can contact me about a Common-lisp hack I wrote to produce such things. (There are still other files required to make a binary host table for MIT-MC, and you should still not attempt to do that unless you really know what you are doing.)  Date: Thu, 22 Aug 85 23:08:53 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Symbolics subnets removed To: MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622091.850822.JNC> As I mentioned doing a while back, the Symbolics subnets have been removed from the HSTMIT file. Also, a subnet was allocated to the MIT<->YoyoDyne serial link. Finally, would anyone object if I renumbered the 'LCS 4th floor Ethernet' (which doesn't seem to have any hosts on it) away from its current number (59.), since the range of subnet numbers from 58. to 67. is occupied in the IP address space by some Athena networks placed there by a beano in octal->decimal conversion (don't ask). Noel  Received: from MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 5 AUG 85 22:57:30 EDT Date: Mon, 5 Aug 85 22:56 EDT From: Richard E. Zippel Subject: MIT-VAX To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850805225603.2.RZ@ZERMATT> This entry has been moved to HSTMIB now that it speaks both Chaos and TCP/IP HOST : 18.26.0.95, CHAOS 4120 : MIT-VAX.ARPA,MIT-VAX,MIT-VX,VX : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SUPDUP,CHAOS/NAME,CHAOS/TIME,CHAOS/TELNET,CHAOS/SUPDUP,CHAOS/MAIL,CHAOS/CFTP :  Received: from MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 2 AUG 85 17:10:22 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 85 17:09 EDT From: Richard E. Zippel Subject: New Lisp machines To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850802170919.8.RZ@ZERMATT> The following entries were added both to SYSNET;HOSTS and HSTMIT HOST MIT-CHAMROUSSE, CHAOS 15326,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[CHAMROUSSE] HOST MIT-FLUTE, CHAOS 15330,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[FLUTE] HOST MIT-RTS-0, CHAOS 15331,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[MIT-RTS] HOST MIT-RTS-1, CHAOS 15332,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[WARD,RTS-1] HOST MIT-RTS-2, CHAOS 15333,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[CJT,RTS-2] HOST MIT-RTS-3, CHAOS 15334,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[JMA,RTS-3] HOST MIT-SARAJEVO, CHAOS 15325,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[SARAJEVO] HOST MIT-VIOLIN, CHAOS 15327,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[VIOLIN] Some other small changes were made to the NU entries. In particular, TERMAN, WARD and JMA nicknames were moved to TERMAN-NU, WARD-NU and JMA-NU. RZ nickname was deleted.  Received: from SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 23 Jul 85 08:18:20 EDT Received: from NEPONSET.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 185013; Tue 23-Jul-85 07:07:28-EDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 85 07:09 EDT From: David C. Plummer in disguise Subject: Symbolics subnets To: J. Noel Chiappa , MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].585023.850722.JNC> Message-ID: <850723070907.2.NFEP@NEPONSET.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 23:49:13 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa [Info-hosts added.] Unless I hear some complaints from the Symbolics people on this list, since the CHAOS link to Symbolics is completely gone (and the address spaces no longer even partially congruent) I'd like to think about recycling the Symbolics subnets from the MIT subnet table. How about it, guys, is this OK? I believe all the namespaces involved have not communicated chaos information for months. I know of no technical reasons not to reuse subnets.  Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 22:37:34 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Allocated MIT subnet To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].584942.850722.JNC> The IP only subnet 124. is the Ethernet a Proteon.  Date: Fri, 19 Jul 85 12:01:27 EDT From: Richard Mlynarik Subject: removed mit-pigpen from sysnet;hstmic and sysnet;hstmit To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].581655.850719.MLY> This machine (really at Symbolix, Inc) no longer exists.  Received: from MIT-XX.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jul 85 13:17:49 EDT Date: Wed 17 Jul 85 13:13:57-EDT From: Michael B McIlrath Subject: new host table entries To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA In HSTMIC, MIT-CAF-SWITCH-{0-3}, CHAOS 01270{0-3} In HSTMIB, MIT-CAF.ARPA, CHAOS 12750, IP 18.21.0.232 I just edited the files. I did not compile the tables; I dont know how. --mike -------  Date: Tue, 25 Jun 85 19:12:56 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: **** New Files *** To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].555778.850625.CSTACY> The host tables have been slightly rearranged as follows. SYSNET;HSTNIC - The official Internet host table from the NIC. This is retrieved automatically from SRI-NIC each evening. No one ever edits this file. Hackers note: this file contains domain-style names such as "MIT-MC.ARPA" and "PURDUE.EDU", which is what everyone is (supposed to be) using now. --- This is in RFC810 format (of course.) SYSNET;HSTMIC - Hosts which are ONLY on the Chaosnet and no other networks. This file does NOT include Chaosnet hosts which are also on the Internet. --- HSTMIC is currently in HOSTS2 format, although it will probably be converted to modified RFC810* soon. SYSNET;HSTMIB - Hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet. The hosts in here are basically copies of certain HSTNIC entries, but with Chaosnet addresses added. Note that sites which are Chaosnet-only need HSTMIB also! --- HSTMIB is in modified RFC810* format. SYSNET;HSTMII - Hosts which are only on the Internet but which the NIC does not know about. Since there probably shouldn't be any such hosts, this file may disappear in the future. The dozen hosts currently listed in here are being contacted to see what they think is going on with their host names. --- HSTMII is in HOSTS2 format. * (Modified RFC810 format means that the address field may contain keyword network specs. Example: "HOST : CHAOS 1440 : MIT-MC ...". The HOSTS3 compiler understands this format.) The file SYSNET;HSTMIT is now obsolete and outdated. Host additions and changes should be made in the HSTMIC and HSTMIB files instead. The new files are up to date (from HSTMIT 405 written this evening). When you edit one of the files, be sure to send a note to everybody at INFO-HOSTS describing your change. Do not try to compile the files for MC; this will be done periodically by an ITS hacker. Cheers, Chris PS. New host tables compiled and installed on MC.  Received: from MIT-SPEECH by MIT-MC.ARPA via Chaosnet; 25 JUN 85 17:42:36 EDT Date: Tue 25 Jun 85 17:43:31-EDT From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC Added MIT-GAUGUIN @ chaos 15414. Whoever put MIT-GEEK after MIT-GOOFY, please remember there are some programs around that care about slphabetization. -------  Received: from MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU by MIT-MC.ARPA 18 Jun 85 18:19:25 EST Received: by MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7) id AA20323; Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Message-Id: <8506182217.AA20323@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU> To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has Internet service but no chaosnet service. -Jeff  Received: from MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU by MIT-MC.ARPA 18 Jun 85 18:19:25 EST Received: by MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7) id AA20323; Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Message-Id: <8506182217.AA20323@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU> To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has Internet service but no chaosnet service. -Jeff  Received: from mit-ems.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jun 85 22:49:17 EST Received: by mit-ems.ARPA (4.12/4.8) id AA00540; Mon, 17 Jun 85 22:48:00 edt Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 22:48:00 edt From: Steven Haflich Message-Id: <8506180248.AA00540@mit-ems.ARPA> To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: ZAXXON and XEVIOUS These machines are 3600's in E15, the new Media Lab. The building connects to the campus spine, thus is Internet. There are a couple Chaos hosts in the building which can (and occasionally do) communicate, but there is no Chaos connection to the outside world. It may be in the future that the MINITS bridge ARCMAC-HUB will get reconstituted in order to connect the ARCMAC Magic-6 hosts to the real world again. If so, it might be necessary to boot it from MIT-EMS, which is also in the building, and if so, MIT-EMS might then assume MIT-MC's chaos address -- it's easier than cutting a new rom for ARCMAC-HUB. For this and other reasons, we chose not to publicise chaos hackery within E15. No one outside should ever see any of it.  Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 17:16:58 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: Mailer lossage was due to vandalized host table To: BUG-COMSAT@MIT-MC.ARPA, MEYER@MIT-MC.ARPA, PSZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, RAY@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA, smh@MIT-EMS, bandy@LLL-CRG.ARPA, kmp@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA, Postmaster@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547207.850617.CSTACY> Disregarding my previous warnings that MC uses a special host table, someone on 6/16 installed a bogus host table which broke the mail system. (I believe the exact breakage was that the host table forgot all about any hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet, including MIT-MC.) I have de-installed the broken table, and mail is flowing again. I resubmitted about 40 incorrectly failed messages which the mail system had retained copies of, but an indetermintent number of messags were mis-delivered or completely lost. I have removed the command file used to create new host tables. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL ANY HOST TABLES ON MIT-MC. Chris  Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547045.850617.CSTACY> I wonder why ZAXXON and XEVIOUS have Internet addresses but no Chaosnet addresses? Is this really true?  Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 17 Jun 85 11:29:59 EST Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA12548; Mon, 17 Jun 85 11:29:49 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8506171529.AA12548@mit-borax.ARPA> Date: Jun 17, 1985 10:38am Subject: new hosts To: info-hosts@mc I added the following hosts to HSTMIT >: MIT-LECTROID (YOYODYNE-GW, MIT-EIGHTH-DIMENSION), MIT-LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN (LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN, JOHN-WHORFIN), MIT-JOHN-BIGBOOTE (JOHN-BIGBOOTE, BIGBOOTE), MIT-JOHN-YAYA (JOHN-YAYA, YAYA) and MIT-JOHN-SMALLBERRIES (JOHN-SMALLBERRIES, SMALLBERRIES). These machines are all on the yoyodyne subnet, of course. - John Romkey "Laugha while you can, monkey boy." - Lord John Whorfin  Received: from MIT-VAX by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 6 JUN 85 15:45:07 EDT Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA02628; Thu, 6 Jun 85 15:43:01 edt Date: Thu, 6 Jun 85 15:43:01 edt From: Jeff Arnold To: info-hosts@mc Added CONCERT-0 through CONCERT-7, changed the address of CONCERT-TEST  Received: from MIT-ZERMATT by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 4 JUN 85 12:02:19 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 85 12:00 EDT From: Richard E. Zippel To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850604120026.9.RZ@ZERMATT> I renamed MIT-OVAL to MIT-CORNCOB, but did not recompile the host tables. MIT-CORNCOB is now in the Lispm namespace and OVAL has been deleted.  Date: Tue, 28 May 85 10:39:54 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: note that MC is running with a funny HOSTS3 table To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].521491.850528.CSTACY> MIT-MC is running an experimental version of our mail system and certain other programs. This stuff uses a host table containing domain-style names and is not generated from the usual files. This means if you make any changes, compile and install them, they will not take effect on MC. Assuming everything works, at the end of the week the experimental stuff on MC will become the normal stuff. The procedure for hacking the host tables will be a little different at that time. (Also, I am working on getting a domain name resolver/server going on MC, and when that's up things will change yet again. Stay tuned!)  Date: Mon, 27 May 85 20:43:42 EST From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: New HOST, tables not recompiled To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: JNC@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].521097.850527.JNC> Added MIT-AI-GW, 26/10, the MIT-AI ARPANet gateway.  Date: Tue, 21 May 85 11:21:17 EST From: S. Robert Austein To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].512587.850521.SRA> Added MIT-OVAL (Imagen 12/300 printer) so that I don't have to type the address in octal every time the unix spooler flakes out.  Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 15 May 85 20:57:34 EST Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA06477; Wed, 15 May 85 20:57:55 edt Date: Wed, 15 May 85 20:57:55 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8505160057.AA06477@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: new host I added MIT-DB (MIT-DBS, DBS) to the tables. - John  Received: from MIT-ZERMATT by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 13 MAY 85 10:25:23 EDT Date: Mon, 13 May 85 10:23 EDT From: Richard E. Zippel Subject: Telluride To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: darth@OZ.MIT Message-ID: <850513102328.8.RZ@ZERMATT.MIT> Has been moved to Chaos 15322, so its internet address wouldn't conflict with Blue-Jeans (had been 15030).  Date: Sat, 11 May 85 08:46:35 EST From: Gail Zacharias Sender: ___013@MIT-MC To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].497408.850511.___013> I commented out mit-devmultics from hstmit, because it conflicts seriously (per hosts3 compiler) with info in the nic table.  Received: from MIT-SPEECH by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 10 MAY 85 23:59:31 EDT Date: Sat 11 May 85 00:00:49-EDT From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC Added MIT-MONET, a lispm, at chaos 16230. Changed CADR26, etc., from nicknames for MIT-POLAR to nicknames for monet, which is the real cadr-26, polar being a symbolix LM2. -------  Date: Thu, 2 May 85 19:20:02 EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: New HSTMIT To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: JNC@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].482449.850502.JNC> Someone had typed in all the Student Center machines' subnet number in decimal when of course it needs to be in octal.  Date: Tue, 30 Apr 85 23:52:28 EDT From: Jeffrey I. Schiller To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].478647.850430.JIS> Added the AMT Ethernet and its hosts (subnet 125 octal 85 decimal). -Jeff  Received: from MIT-APIARY-7 by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 29 APR 85 14:01:08 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 14:00 EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: Wait, it gets better. To: Alan Bawden cc: BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC].473710.850429.ALAN> Message-ID: <850429140021.2.CSTACY@APIARY-7> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 01:26:25 EDT From: Alan Bawden I hope MIT-POSEIDON is ready to handle all the mail addressed to people who use the Foonly (POS) at Symbolics... This is because on 4/26/85 someone munged the HOSTS MASTER file and then compiled a new host table.  Received: from STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by MIT-MC.ARPA; 24 APR 85 16:44:33 EST Received: from PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 222818; Wed 24-Apr-85 11:20:01-EST Date: Wed, 24 Apr 85 11:19 EST From: Charles Hornig Subject: Symbolics host tables To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, comp-fac@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM Message-ID: <850424111949.7.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> The files HSTSYM and HSTSYI which contain information about Symbolics hosts should be deleted and references to them removed. Access to Symbolics hosts from now on should be through the Internet.  Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:44:37 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Sender: CSTAC0@MIT-MC Subject: REAGAN To: MLY@MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of Fri12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST from Richard Mlynarik Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452451.850412.CSTAC0> Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST From: Richard Mlynarik Sender: MLY0 To: BUG-HOSTS Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452440.850412.MLY0> reagan, amonst many other machines, is not believed to have a chaos address by mc. REAGAN was put into the NIC's host table in a manner which collided with and supusersede its entry in the chaosnet hosts table. I "fixed" this. It will be really fixed in the domain system.  Received: from MIT-VAX by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 11 APR 85 17:00:48 EST Received: by mit-vax.Mit-chaos.Arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA19807; Thu, 11 Apr 85 17:00:02 est Date: Thu, 11 Apr 85 17:00:02 est From: Jeff Arnold To: info-hosts@mc Subject: mit-concert-test added I've added MIT-CONCERT-TEST (015375) to sysnet;hosts > and hstmit >  Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 15:50:42 EST From: S. Robert Austein To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].447170.850408155233.SRA> Got rid of extraneous space in HSTMIT that broke compilation (grrr).  Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 01:58:55 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: GILDEA@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].446299.850408020021.CSTACY> I gobbled subnet 54 (44.) for the ERL people in building E-34, whose ethernet will probably be connected to the rest of the world someday.  Date: Sun, 7 Apr 85 16:48:51 EST From: Ramin D. Zabih To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC cc: staff@MIT-CHARON Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445849.850407164937.RDZ> I have removed MIT-CHARON's chaosnet address until such time as the chaos net to building 11 gets fixed.  Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:47:49 EST From: Jeffrey I. Schiller Subject: SYSNET;HSTMIT 368 To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445261.850406225213.JIS> Removed MIT-ATHENA's chaosnet address as that portion of the ChaosNet is currently broken. This will force mail to go via the Internet. -Jeff  Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:46:16 EST From: Jeffrey I. Schiller To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445257.850406224628.JIS>  Date: 27 March 1985 00:05-EST From: Richard E. Zippel To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I added two new 3600's Breckenridge and Starling, deleted Tahoe. Please check to see if MIT-FRANK-SINATRA is in the right place. I thought the names were supposed to be alphabetical,and MIT-F-S is in the MIT-S's.  Date: 17 March 1985 00:07-EST From: Richard E. Zippel To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I added two harris hosts to the table, Harris-1 (a lisp machine) and Harris-Trantor a vax.  Received: from MIT-SMOKEY by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 15 MAR 85 23:00:08 EST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 22:59 EST From: Scott Cyphers Subject: Booboo To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850315225931.5.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT> I changed its address and ran XFILE.  Date: 15 March 1985 16:55-EST From: S. Robert Austein To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added HQ as alias for MIT-LCS-HQ (on request of MBJ).  Received: from mit-borax.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 7 MAR 85 22:47:12 EST Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA06259; Thu, 7 Mar 85 22:48:00 est Date: Thu, 7 Mar 85 22:48:00 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8503080348.AA06259@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: new hosts I added MIT-GEEK, MIT-NERD and MIT-WIMP, a trio of Sun workstations at LCS 32/221 through LCS 32/223. I also added MIT-SAURON at LCS 12/304. - John  Received: from MIT-SMOKEY by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 03/06/85 21:35:12 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 85 21:33 EST From: Scott Cyphers To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850306213354.1.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT> I added MIT-RENOIR and MIT-KOALA to HOSTS and HSTMIT, took away KOALA as a nickname for LM12, and changed addresses for Yogi and Panda, and ran XFILE. I also fixed the comment to say to do :XFILE SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE instead of SYSENG;.  Date: 5 March 1985 17:42-EST From: S. Robert Austein To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Removed LCS entry for MIT-VAX, since it is now Chaos-only.  Date: 4 March 1985 18:05-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Is everyone on this list really interested in tracking the changes in MIT's own private host tables? There is no problem if you are, but I just noticed that the list is quite large and contains mostly people on hosts which don't use our tables.  Received: from by MIT-MC;4 March 1985 17:48-EST Date: Mon 4 Mar 85 11:15:59-EST From: Rob Austein Subject: Current HOSTS2 format files To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341 For those machines that still need HOSTS2 format files, you can get up to date versions from SYSTEM:HOSTS2.TXT and SYSTEM:HOSTS2.BIN (source and binary, respectively) by FTPing to XX and logging in as ANONYMOUS with any password. These files get generated automaticly by a batch job from our HOSTS3 table. Any host that doesn't fit into the HOSTS2 format is omitted, but otherwise this contains all the hosts and nets in HSTMIT, HSTSYM, HSTSYI, and HSTNIC. Right now these are in the old format, with no ".ARPA" on the ends of Internet hostnames. When the MC source files change format, so will these. --Rob -------  Date: 20 February 1985 02:34-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: NIC Host Tables To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Since I no longer need to hand-edit our version of the NIC host table (the HSTNIC file) to get local fixes, I have written and installed a system demon which will run on MC each day to keep our copy up to date automagically. So, if you compile the host tables here, be aware that the NIC table will be updated without human intervention and inspection. If the NIC table is broken or something (bad versions have been known to be released in the past) you may encounter errors. You should report these things to me, and I'll fix them (of course if if you are plenty damn sure you know what's going on you can fix it yourself.) Cheers, Chris  Received: from MIT-GSTAAD by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 19 Feb 85 14:13-EST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 85 14:06 EST From: "Richard E. Zippel" Subject: Concert To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850219140629.1.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT> I've added the address of Concert, Halstead's multiprocessor system, to the host tables: HOST MIT-CONCERT, CHAOS 15376,SERVER,CONCERT,CONCERT,[CONCERT]  Date: 13 February 1985 13:19-EST From: Richard Mark Soley Subject: SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Chris - the host table installation xfile failed attempting to parse CSTACY;NEWHST 3 at lines 59, 61, and 63. If you could fix whatever you're doing & install the new tables, I'd appreciate it. Changed MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to be internet-only host (removed chaos addresses). -- Richard  Date: 7 February 1985 16:46-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: BCN @ MIT-MC, GILDEA @ MIT-MC New host tables generated, including latest NIC table. There is now a kludge for getting around host nickname collisions. The only host which I have fixed this way is MIT-EDDIE, which will now get the nickname EDDIE instead of giving it to UW-EDDIE. If you have a host with this problem, let me know and I'll fix it for you. Chris  Date: 4 February 1985 08:53-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: new host tables To: BCN @ MIT-EECS cc: RZ @ MIT-MC, CSTACY @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST from Clifford Neuman You should switch over to the HSTMIT file; the HOSTS file is hopelessly out of date and has been for about two years. (There isn't any SU-TAHOE in the HSTNIC or HSTMIT files.) Chris  Date: Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST From: Clifford Neuman Subject: Re: new host tables To: CSTACY@MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC, RZ@MIT-MC In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy " of Mon 4 Feb 85 07:52:43-EST It seems that in the new host table (HOSTS 834), the name TAHOE was a nickname for both MIT-TAHOE, and SU-TAHOE. This was causing problems compiling the table on EE. I removed the nicname TAHOE from SU-TAHOE in HOSTS 835. SU-TAHOE is the name of Stanford's dover. ~ Cliff -------  Date: 4 February 1985 07:43-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: new host tables To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: RZ @ MIT-MC New host tables generated on MC. Someone added a LispM named GARY-COOPER at the same Chaosnet address as NU-29, so I commented out NU-29. Someone should go and resolve this if they want NU-27 back on the network.  Received: from MIT-GSTAAD by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 15 Jan 85 23:57-EST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 85 23:55 EST From: "Richard E. Zippel" Subject: Gary Cooper To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Soley@MIT-MC.ARPA, ward@MIT-VAX.ARPA Message-ID: <850115235553.5.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT> I deleted NU-29 from the host table and replaced it with MIT-GARY-COOPER at the same address, with nicknames GARY and GARY-COOPER.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA09164; Mon, 14 Jan 85 15:02:03 est Date: Mon, 14 Jan 85 15:02:03 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8501142002.AA09164@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: MIT-SLUSH I added MIT-SLUSH (18.26.0.130) to HSTMIT > and HOSTS >. I also added MIT-SLUDGE to HOSTS >. Before, it was only listed in HSTMIT. - John  Date: Sat 12 Jan 85 16:04:49-EST From: Clifford Neuman Subject: New address for MIT-EDDIE To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC CHAOS 12404 has been added for MIT-EDDIE in HSTMIT(339) and HOSTS(831). ~ Cliff -------  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA08091; Tue, 1 Jan 85 20:53:26 est Date: Tue, 1 Jan 85 20:53:26 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8501020153.AA08091@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: two new hosts I added MIT-STORMWATCH and PROTEON to HSTMIT and HOSTS. - John  Date: 30 December 1984 17:04-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added MIT-ZAXXON (LispM at arcmac or something like that).  Date: 21 December 1984 22:27-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New host tables installed on MC.  Date: Wed 12 Dec 84 13:45:30-EST From: Rob Austein Subject: Re: Host table formats changing soon! To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy " of Sun 9 Dec 84 23:51:00-EST Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341 I'm afraid XX is still using HOSTS > too, unless I am very confused. -------  Date: 10 Dec 1984 16:25:34-EST From: smh@mit-ems To: CSTACY@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc Subject: Host table formats changing soon! Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file? You probably shouldn't be. The data in there is far from complete or accurate. Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.) Alas, HOST2 and the old "HOSTS >" format is still used by {several,many,most,all} Unix chaos systems. I'm not sure which of those adjective is accurate, but I know from personal inspection that at least one of them is true. If proper Unix hosts3 support exists, I'd like to know about it. If it has to be created, any volunteers? Steve Haflich, smh@mit-ems  Date: Mon 10 Dec 84 04:59:31-EST From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC New HSTMIT, HOSTS > - moved MIT-AI to chaos 3130 -------  Date: 9 December 1984 23:51-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: Host table formats changing soon! To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC In the near future, the format of the HSTNIC and HSTMIT host table files will be changing as part of the transition to the Internet name domain system. The HSTNIC file will reflect the official Internet host table at the NIC, which these days has hosts with domain names like "MIT-AI.ARPA". The hosts also have nicknames like "MIT-AI" (their pre-domain official global name). The HSTMIT file will become a HOSTS3 (extended RFC810) format file, Internet hosts listed in this file will be renamed to correspond to their names in the HSTNIC file (ie., they will have ".ARPA" tacked on to them. Note: Collisions between nicknames in the HSTNIC and HSTMIT file (e.g., MIT's EDDIE vs. UW's EDDIE) will probably not be solved by these changes, since their is no real domain name system underneath. If you are using the HOSTS3 compiler, you can at least compile the new files. You may have some trouble with software which thinks it knows about name domains. Of course, eventually a great deal of the world will have to be rewritten to use the name domain stuff in a fully general way, but that headache is still a little while off. Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file? You probably shouldn't be. The data in there is far from complete or accurate. Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.) Please direct any questions and problems to me. Chris  Date: 6 December 1984 00:02-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New host tables installed on MC.  Date: Wednesday, 5 December 1984, 14:13-EST From: Tom Cloney To: INFO-HOSTS at MC CADR-19 has been given the additional nickname SARAH (Sarah Bernhardt). The appropriate files have been updated on OZ and MC. HSTNIC has not been altered.  Date: 25 November 1984 21:43-EST From: Richard Mark Soley Subject: NEWT To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: RDZ @ MIT-MC, greg @ MIT-XX, iannucci @ MIT-XX Put MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY on the CHAOSnet at 15113 and 30330. -- Richard  Date: 17 November 1984 15:44-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest host tables installed on MC.  Date: Thu 15 Nov 84 18:07:16-EST From: George A. Boughton Subject: subnet 10 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Mit-vax, cadr-9, cadr-12, cadr-16, cadr-19, cadr-20, and cadr-29 have been removed from subnet 6 and placed on subnet 10. Their new addresses can be found in mc:sysnet;hstmit >. -------  Received: from MIT-BUGS-BUNNY by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 15 Nov 84 10:23-EST Received: by bugs-bunny.mit.arpa (4.12/4.8) id AA18320; Thu, 15 Nov 84 10:20:33 est Date: Thu, 15 Nov 84 10:20:33 est From: Web Dove To: Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, MARTY@MIT-OZ, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ Subject: Re: Number assignment conflict? From: Martin David Connor Subject: Number assignment conflict? I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output: Reading text file OZ:HOSTS.MASTER.2 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.NIC.394 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.SYI.15 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.MIT.326 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.SYM.59 Processing tables... Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0 I got the following error: Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE ..... 180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180 1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file. Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question: HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : .... HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM .... Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0 for some reason. In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it seems to be ignoring it. Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix. The arpa numeric address standard calls for decimal numbers separated by dots. My understanding is that the numbers 18.20.subnet.host are used at mit to signify those host addresses which support chaos wrapped internet packets and can unwrap them. For those hosts, "subnet" corresponds to the chaos subnet number and "host" to the chaos host number. I directly translated chaos octal subnet 033 to decimal number 27. in order to arrive at the addresses for bugs-bunny (18.20.27.17) and yosemite-sam (18.20.27.21). Both hosts also have raw internet packet addresses (18.27.0.17, 18.27.0.21). The HOSTS3 program must treat the first two numbers of addresses of the form 18.x as determining the subnet and the last two as determining the host. This will work for both addresses of the form 18.x.0.y and 18.20.x.y. In fact, I think it was an error for me to send the 18.20.27.y addresses to sri-nic as they do not need to know them. Those addresses are only significant for the wrapping gateways around mit. P.S. Please send mail to me direct as I am not on any of the hosts mailing lists.  Date: 14 November 1984 20:16-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest host tables installed on MC.  Received: from MIT-XX by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 14 Nov 84 13:18-EST Date: Wed 14 Nov 84 13:18:37-EST From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Re: Number assignment conflict? To: MARTY@MIT-OZ, Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ cc: JNC@MIT-XX In-Reply-To: Message from "Martin David Connor " of Wed 14 Nov 84 11:57:00-EST The problem here is that with the 'new' CHAOS wrapping scheme in use the third byte is in fact in use. HOSTS3 is incorrect in ignoring this. Yosemite and Riverside have addresses that are identical except in the third byte. The number of hosts that have that byte non-zero should be very small; they are the wrapping/unwrapping gateways. The only ones I know of that are actually running are Bugs, Gross, Riverside and Trillian. You could probably deleete the offending address for Sam without much problem. Noel -------  Date: 14 Nov 1984 11:57 EST (Wed) Message-ID: From: Martin David Connor To: Bug-HOSTS3%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Number assignment conflict? I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output: Reading text file OZ:HOSTS.MASTER.2 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.NIC.394 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.SYI.15 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.MIT.326 Inserting file OZ:HOSTS.SYM.59 Processing tables... Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0 I got the following error: Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE ..... 180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180 1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file. Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question: HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : SYMBOLICS-3600 : LISPM : UDP/TIME,UDP/TFTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TELNET,TCP/TIME,UDP/FINGER,TCP/FTP : HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM,YOSEMITE-SAM : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TIME,TCP/DAYTIME,TCP/FINGER : Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0 for some reason. In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it seems to be ignoring it. Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix.  Date: 13 November 1984 14:52-EST From: Richard Mark Soley To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Moved all Tanglewood Lispmachines to subnet 60. Deleted FLAME-OF-THE-FOREST. Added BLUE-SPRUCE. -- Richard  Date: 9 November 1984 13:26-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New host table installed, including NIC and local changes.  Received: from MIT-ZERMAT by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 8 Nov 84 22:41-EST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 84 22:38 EST From: "Richard E. Zippel" To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA mc:sysnet;hstmit 321 and mc:sysnet;hosts 818 have the new chaosnet address of Aspen (15315) and the correct spelling of Zermatt.  Date: 6 November 1984 15:01-EST From: Richard E. Zippel To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I've added two lisp machnes, zermatt and gstaad at 15316 and 15317. I didn't compile the table.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA07961; Sun, 4 Nov 84 20:42:07 est Date: Sun, 4 Nov 84 20:42:07 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8411050142.AA07961@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: a free subnet I've freed up subnet 152 since I wasn't using it. First come, first serve. - John  Date: 4 November 1984 13:19-EST From: David C. Plummer To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, RZ @ MIT-MC MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE was moved from subnet 32 to 72, thus giving its address an non-lethal injection of 20000 units of octal number.  Date: 4 November 1984 13:05-EST From: David C. Plummer To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: RZ @ MIT-MC I took subnets 156 and 157 for Harris and defined the following hosts in HSTMIT and HOSTS. The first is the Harris end, the second the MIT end. I probably won't compile the host tables unless I find a great need to. HOST HARRIS-MIT-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 67402,CHAOS 67002],USER,MINITS,PDP11 HOST MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 15040,CHAOS 67001],USER,MINITS,PDP11  Date: 4 November 1984 12:51-EST From: David C. Plummer To: LWA @ MIT-MC, DCLARK @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC We are running very short of "unused" Chaos subnets. For that matter, the last two "unused" subnets will be snarfed in a few minutes. The "Reserved for project Athena" subnets have been reserved for over a year now. As far as I can tell, only one of them has become real. Can we recycle some of them?  Date: 1 November 1984 15:36-EST From: Richard Mark Soley Subject: HSTMIT/HOSTS change To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added Lisp Machine Forest host MIT-JULGRAN (a Swedish tree) at CHAOS 15307.  Date: 31 October 1984 19:24-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest host tables installed on MC.  Date: 25 October 1984 14:20-EDT From: Ramesh S. Patil Subject: new host table generated To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC The sysnet;hosts > and hstmit were edited but the xfile was not run when I added LM-12 to subnet-6. I just ran the :xfile to make the change happen. - ramesh  Date: 22 October 1984 17:19-EDT From: Richard Mark Soley Subject: Latest host table change To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added Pomegranate (new Lisp Machine Forest 3670). Moved Oak, Flame, & Cherry to subnet 32. -- Richard  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA00770; Mon, 22 Oct 84 15:43:53 edt Date: Mon, 22 Oct 84 15:43:53 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8410221943.AA00770@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: mit-vax & mit-charmin I added an internet address to MIT-VAX (18.26.0.95) and a new host called MIT-CHARMIN (18.26.0.1) which is a printer. - John Romkey  Date: 14 October 1984 20:43-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: dove @ MIT-BUGS-BUNNY Latest NIC host table installed on MC. I removed the SYLVESTER nicknames from BUGS since they collide with an ARPAnet machine's name (and choosing the name BUGS was to avoid this collision).  Date: 10 October 1984 14:00-EDT From: Daniel Huttenlocher To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added two 3670's SID-VICIOUS at chaos 13061 and DUANE-ALLMAN at chaos 13063.  Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 16:20-EDT From: Martin David Connor Subject: 28 page host table too big? To: bug-its@MIT-MC CC: BUG-TCP@MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC I fetched the latest NIC host table and installed it on MC, and suddenly I couldn't get a DDT from OZ. I backed out, renaming it to SYSBIN;HOSTS3 TOOBG?, and was then able to SUPDUP in and get a DDT without it barfing and saying there was a PWORD bug. I bet the bug is it couldn't map the host table. Anyway, someone should look at PWORD.  Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 15:19-EDT From: Martin David Connor Subject: Latest NIC host table To: info-hosts@MIT-MC I retrieved it, and diked a few obvious hosts. Someone (CSTACY) should make a list of hosts that should have their nicknames diked, or make a program that does the right thing. It would help a lot.  Date: 4 October 1984 18:05-EDT From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I generated new tables, moving MIT-HEPHAESTUS off subnet 6, to subnet 26.  Date: 25 September 1984 17:43-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: HOSTS3 To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC, MOON @ SCRC-TENEX The latest host table (including HSTNIC #384) is compiled and installed. The HOSTS3 compiler is "fixed". HOSTS3 hackers: The compiler does not do the sort of dynamic memory allocation I had assumed. I was therefore able to make some more room in the ITS version simply by moving where in core the table was being constructed. I didn't calculate how much room is left over for new code or tables, but the increase should hold us for a while. Of course, we are racing against the rate of host additions on the various networks in our table (the Internet, the Chaosnet, etc.) Hopefully by the time we run out it will be time to implement a hairy namespace system. Won't that be fun!  Date: 24 September 1984 13:07-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Well, I think we are finally out of address space. New host tables cannot be compiled anymore because they are too massive. People should not try to compile any changes until I get back to you, hopefully with a solution.  Date: 14 September 1984 21:26-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table retrieved and installed.  Date: 14 September 1984 21:03-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC The TCP; directory on MC is now called "SYSNET;".  Date: 13 September 1984 02:54-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New NIC host table retrieved and installed.  Date: Sat, 8 Sep 84 16:15 EDT From: Scott Cyphers Subject: kodiak, smokey To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA I added the lisp machine hosts MIT-KODIAK (15431) MIT-SMOKEY (15432) to MC:TCP;HOSTS and HSTMIT and ran XFILE  Date: 7 September 1984 21:10-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table retrieved; tables compiled and installed on MC.  Date: Wed, 5 Sep 84 22:54 EDT From: Chris Lindblad Subject: Changes to mc:tcp;hosts > To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA I removed all synonyms of MIT-DM for the host MIT-MC.  Date: 3 September 1984 17:59-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table and other pending changes installed. MIT-TWEETY is now in the Internet.  Date: 2 September 1984 15:16-EDT From: Martin David Connor Subject: Updated HSTMIT and HOSTS To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Rearranged AI Lab concentrators. Suggest all 20's build new tables as soon as possible. Already done for OZ.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA07218; Thu, 30 Aug 84 13:14:56 edt Date: Thu, 30 Aug 84 13:14:56 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8408301714.AA07218@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: mit-mother Two changes to the entry for MIT-MOTHER in hstmit and hosts. I've changed the address from LCS 32/42 to LCS 12/302 and I've commented it out in both files until the NIC gets the new address right. - John  Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 15:54 EDT From: Webster Dove Subject: adding bugs-bunny To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Fcc: BUGS-BUNNY: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox In order to ease the transition for sylvester to a new name, the nicknames "mit-bugs-bunny", "bugs-bunny" and "bugs" have been added to the description of mit-sylvester in hosts and hstmit.  Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 12:24 EDT From: Webster Dove Subject: nicknema sylvester for mit-sylvester removed To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Fcc: SYLVESTER: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox Removed from mc:tcp;hosts and hstmit to prevent conflict with cu-sylvester in hstnic.  Date: Wed 15 Aug 84 16:53:18-EDT From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC TCP;HOSTS 780 updates the entry for RUTGERS, which is completely irrelevant unless you need to talk to this machine through a CHAOS-ARPA Gateway. -------  Date: 15 August 1984 14:43-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest host tables compiled and installed on MC. Includes MIT-DM, a VAX (sigh).  Date: Tue, 7 Aug 84 14:59 EDT From: Cory Myers Subject: additional address for mit-sylvester To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA MIT-SYLVESTER now responds to chaos 016241 as well as its old address of chaos 015421. It also serves as a chaos gateway between subnets 33 and 34 in parallel with MIT-SPEECH-11. Files mc:tcp; hstmit and mc:tcp;hosts have been updated to reflect this change.  Received: by mit-charon (4.12/4.7) id AA25342; Sun, 5 Aug 84 19:47:13 edt From: jis@mit-charon (Jeff Schiller) Date: 5 Aug 1984 1947-EDT (Sunday) To: info-hosts@mit-mc Subject: HSTMIT modified. To indicate that MIT-APHRODITE is now at ChaosNet address 42014. -Jeff  Date: 4 August 1984 20:43-EDT From: Robert P. Krajewski Subject: PS... To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: DARTH @ MIT-MC The version numbers of the files concerned are HSTMIT 258 and HOSTS 778. We'll edit the namespace object when CADR15 decides to come up...  Date: 4 August 1984 20:41-EDT From: Robert P. Krajewski Subject: Chaos Address for MIT-PI changed To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: DARTH @ MIT-MC Old: 13010 (Subnet 26 (AI Ethernet), Host 010) New: 15314 (Subnet 32 (LCS Ethernet), Host 314)  Date: 3 August 1984 11:08-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: CRE @ MIT-MC, BEN @ MIT-MC, CJL @ MIT-OZ, DANIEL @ MIT-OZ, MARTY @ MIT-OZ I installed the latest NIC table, and discovered a new name conflict: someone else has a SYLVESTER, so I manually removed their nickname. People should be careful to remember that hosts whose entries appear in multiple tables must match. I found several offending entries with conflicting ARPAnet addresses between the HSTMIT and HSTNIC table, conflicting host nicknames, and different machine types. If the HOSTS3 compiler gets confused and thinks that different machines with the same name are being talked about in different files, it will throw away some or all of the information for those hosts. Mistakes (which I have corrected) in the HSTMIT table had removed PREP and TINMAN from the Chaosnet! Also added SANCHO-PANZA (a 3d floor 3600) to the Chaosnet. Installed the tables on MC and ML. Chris  Date: Thu, 26 Jul 84 09:16 EDT From: "Christopher C. Stacy" Subject: host tables To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA The source for the host tables has moved from the SYSENG; directory to the TCP; directory, which is a little less crowded. Latest NIC table installed. Chris  Date: Thu 12 Jul 84 16:28:34-EDT From: GAB@xx Subject: ne43-2a Sender: GAB%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: info-hosts@MIT-MC Reply-To: gab@xx I have changed the entries for ne43-2a in hosts and hstmit to include its new subnet 6 address of 3162. -------  Date: 10 July 1984 17:23-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: new host tables To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I installed the latest host tables on MC, including a new NIC table.  Date: 29 June 1984 01:15-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: latest host table installed To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: BUG-MAIL @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC I have compiled and installed the latest host tables on MC and ML. Things (such as the HOSTS3 compiler and QMAIL) should be working now; please let me know if anything blows up.  Date: Thu 28 Jun 84 19:59:34-EDT From: Clifford Neuman Subject: New addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and MIT-BYPASS To: info-hosts@MIT-MC SYSENG; HSTMIT 243 and SYSENG; HOSTS 767 Have been updated to include subnet 25 addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and MIT-BYPASS. In addition to its old addresses, MIT-EECS-11 now resides at chaos 12542, and MIT-BYPASS at 12530. ~ Cliff -------  Date: 27 June 1984 12:13-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: despite my previous warnings To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: CSR @ MIT-MC Whoever installed the latest host tables on MC broke alot of system programs. It was someone who uses the CSR directory. Keep your fucking hands off, please.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA01059; Wed, 27 Jun 84 11:45:37 edt Date: Wed, 27 Jun 84 11:45:37 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8406271545.AA01059@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: host table change I added a chaosnet address for mit-coke. - John  Date: 23 June 1984 18:19-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC No one should compile new host tables on ITS until some bugs in various system programs are worked out. The most recent valid files are SYSBIN;HOSTS2 726 and HOSTS3 403. The ones after that (HOSTS2 LATEST and HOSTS3 LATEST) correspond to the most recently updated host table source files and required modifications to the HOSTS3 compiler to produce. Sadly, they have pushed the memory limits of assorted system programs and cannot be installed yet. I'll send another message when things are working again.  Date: 23 June 1984 17:39-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: Host name "Harvard" doesn't work right To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: MRC @ SU-SCORE, bug-mailer @ MIT-OZ, bug-mm @ MIT-OZ, RMS @ MIT-OZ In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 23 Jun 84 14:13:42-PDT from Mark Crispin I removed the nickname HARVARD from the MINITS machine (Harvard Bridge?) at Symbolics, so that Harvard University can be called "Harvard" and so many users would be less confused.  Date: Mon 18 Jun 84 20:34:52-EDT From: Clifford Neuman Subject: Zarquon, Prak, Hactar, and Slartibartfast To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC The followiwng have been added to HSTMIT 239 and HOSTS 764: MIT-SLARTIBARTFAST Chaos 12422 MIT-PRAK Chaos 12423 MIT-ZARQUON Chaos 12424 MIT-HACTAR Chaos 12425 These are the 4 client computers in the building 38 Athena Cluster. -------  Date: Thu 14 Jun 84 11:13:23-EDT From: Clifford Neuman Subject: MIT-TRILLIAN To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA SYSENG; HSTMIT 238 and SYSENG; HOSTS 763 Add mit-trillian at chaos address 12421, a VAX-11/750 Running 4.2. It is the first Athena machine running in building 38. -------  Date: 13 June 1984 14:48-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New NIC table installed.  Date: Thu 7 Jun 84 03:19-EDT From: Michael J. Konopik Subject: you wanted this... To: info-hosts@MIT-MC I just changed HOSTS > and HSTMIT > to reflect the fact that HTJR (TINMAN) still runs VMS. The claim that it runs UNIX was screwing up CFTP. -Mike  Date: 6 June 1984 17:58-EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Atari To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: JNC @ MIT-MC Now that Atari Cambridge has gone belly up, should the Atari numbers be recycled? Who is competent to know whether or nott these numbers are still in use.  Date: 6 June 1984 17:47-EDT From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Subnets assigned To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: JNC @ MIT-MC Subnets 64 and 65 (octal) have been assigned to the MIT-Proteon link and the main ring out at Natick respectively. I hope the fact that they were marked as 'unused' in HSTMIT > means those numbers really were unused.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA04901; Wed, 6 Jun 84 14:09:34 edt Date: Wed, 6 Jun 84 14:09:34 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8406061809.AA04901@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: Mother and Cub I removed two nicknames for MIT-MOTHER and added MIT-CUB to hstmit and hosts. - John  Date: 2 Jun 1984 04:21 EDT (Sat) Message-ID: From: Martin David Connor To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: New host tables Well, being rather bored, I decided to teach myself to get new host tables from the NIC and compile host tables on MC. I did the following things. I think they are right, but would appreciate any suggestions for a better way: - Ran CSTACY;HOSTS to retrieve the lastest NIC table - Did :XFILE SYSENG;HOSTS XFILE to create the tables - Got the following cruft printed out: Nickname WARD for Internet site WASHINGTON is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname ROCKY for Internet site CU-ROBOTICS is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname MERLIN for Internet site PURDUE-MERLIN is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname LARRY for Internet site UW-BLUECHIP is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname FORD for Internet site FORD1 is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname EDDIE for Internet site UW-EDDIE is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname COYOTE for Internet site SU-COYOTE is also a CHAOS host, ignored. Nickname ARTHUR for Internet site PURDUE is also a CHAOS host, ignored. - Went back in, and hand edited out the DUPS from the NIC table, and wrote back out the table to the same version (349). - Compiled the table again, noticing that the NIC had now made MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY the primary name for MIT-FLA. Of course HSTMIT still had MIT-FLA as the primary name, so HOSTS2 bitched. - Edited HSTMIT to make it consistent with HSTNIC. - Compiled the tables one last time. I wasn't sure if ALL the dup nicknames usually got edited out, but it seemed like the right thing for local use. Anyway, if I did something wrong, someone can fix it, and please let me know so I don't do it again. Marty  Date: Thu 31 May 84 18:03:14-EDT From: Clifford Neuman Subject: HoG and Franky-Mouse To: info-hosts@MIT-MC The long awaited EE ether loop is now alive. HSTMIT 228 and HOSTS 758 have been changed. Franky-Mouse: Subnet 7 host 10 (3410) Subnet 25 host 10 (12410) Heart-of-Gold: Subnet 25 host 42 (12442) -------  Date: 27 May 1984 02:00-EDT From: Jeffrey I. Schiller To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC HSTMIT 225... Added MIT-ATHENA on the ChaosNet... -Jeff  Date: 27 May 1984 01:57-EDT From: Jeffrey I. Schiller To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA01763; Fri, 25 May 84 15:26:24 edt Date: Fri, 25 May 84 15:26:24 edt From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8405251926.AA01763@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: three changes Hi. I've added two hosts to the tables: MIT-BLUE-APOLLO and MIT-GOOFY. I've also allocated a subnet (151) for some IP speaking Apollo machines for Bob Iannucci. - John  Date: 25 May 1984 09:26-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table retrieved and compiled on MC.  Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 22 May 84 16:48-EDT Date: Tuesday, 22 May 1984, 16:45-EDT From: Chris Lindblad Subject: Change to MIT host table To: info-hosts at MIT-OZ mc:syseng; hosts > and mc:syseng; hstmit > have been modified. The operating system on MIT-HERMES has changed from VMS to UNIX.  Date: 22 May 1984 03:42 EDT (Tue) Message-ID: From: Martin David Connor To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Cc: OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Slight frob to HSTMIT and HOSTS In order to make HOSTS3 happy, I had to set the official name of MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to MIT-FLA, since that's what it was in HSTNIC. If the NIC table ever gets the new apparent official name for FLA, then it will be ok to change the MIT tables.  Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-YUKON via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 41801; Mon 21-May-84 12:25:41-EDT Date: Mon, 21 May 84 12:25 EDT From: Charles Hornig Subject: HSTNIC 347 To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <840521122524.2.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics> I brought over the most recent NIC host table, but didn't recompile HOSTS3 because I was worried at the apparent resurrection of MIT-AI (running ITS on a KS10). If AI is really coming back, someone can go ahead and install it. If it isn't, someone should tell the NIC.  Date: Sat 19 May 84 19:22:16-EDT From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC HOSTS 747 and HSTMIT 213 modify XI, the XX net-11. Remove from SN6, add to SN32 (15020), change OS to MINITS, remove nickname "NFE", whee. -------  Date: 17 May 1984 18:09-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: MIT-AI To: DPH @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, TAFT @ MIT-MC, TK @ MIT-MC, AI-KL @ MIT-OZ, GLR @ MIT-OZ In-reply-to: Msg of 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT from Daniel Huttenlocher I have sent in the update which renames MIT-AI-RESERVED (on IMP 6) to MIT-AI, and removes the "AI" nicknames from MIT-OZ (on IMP 77, but this entry is commented out.)  Date: 17 May 1984 15:24-EDT From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I added a new Chaos host on subnet 32, MIT-NE43-2B-HUB, and regenerated the host tables on MC.  Date: 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT From: Daniel Huttenlocher To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I removed the aliases MIT-AI and AI from MIT-OZ in HOSTS > and HSTMIT >. Somebody (read cstacy) might want to have the NIC remove it from OZ's commented out entry in HSTNIC in the eventuality that oz ever makes it on the arpanet...  Date: 16 May 1984 17:33-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC No one should install a host table on MC without removing the naming ambiguities for the names "MERLIN", "EDDIE", and "FORD".  Date: 16 May 1984 16:12-EDT From: Charles Hornig Subject: new host table To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC host table (346).  Date: Tuesday, 15 May 1984, 03:27-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: "PFC" To: John G. Aspinall Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC In-reply-to: The message of 9 May 84 16:00-EDT from John G. Aspinall The message of 23 January 84 10:13-EST from Added nickname "PFC" to MIT-PFC-VAX in the source.  Date: Thu 10 May 84 23:14:17-EDT From: Robert H. Myhill Subject: please take me off of this mailing lists To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Could someone out there please take me off of the info-hosts mailing list/ Thanks. robert@xx -------  Date: 6 May 1984 23:34-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New host table installed, including latest NIC table.  Date: Sat 5 May 84 18:25-EDT From: Michael J. Konopik Subject: To: info-hosts@MIT-MC I just added MIT-DIOXIN to the host tables. It is CCC's new terminal concentrator. Just thought you'd like to know... -Mike  Date: 29 Apr 1984 17:56:58-EDT From: walter at mit-htvax To: info-hosts@mc Subject: MIT-RTS Commented out MIT-RTS.  Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 10847; Mon 23-Apr-84 12:52:40-EST Date: Mon, 23 Apr 84 12:47 EST From: Charles Hornig Subject: HSTSYM changes To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <840423124752.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics> I moved the nickname SCRC from SCRC-TENEX to SCRC-STONY-BROOK.  Date: 12 April 1984 08:11-EST From: Charles Hornig To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Changed 128.31.x.x hosts to 18.20.x.x pending the NIC update.  Date: 11 April 1984 18:46-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC New host table installed on MC.  Date: 10 Apr 1984 07:42:57-EST From: To: info-hosts@mit-mc Subject: Master host tables broken There are two problems in the current host tables. The guilty parties will know who they are: [MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] is trivially broken by the mysterious addition of a newline in the middle of MIT-MARVIN. [MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] lacks the most recent updates appearing in [MC;SYSENG;HSTMIT 201]. Should not the MIT data in these files be maintained in parallel? HEY! Let's be *careful* out there!  Received: from SCRC-PEACE by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 9910; Tue 10-Apr-84 04:59:23-EST Date: Tue, 10 Apr 84 05:03 EST From: Charles Hornig Subject: HOST changes To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <840410050348.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics> I adjusted SCRC-RIVERSIDE's addresses to reflect the new gateway situation and added the Athena machines which are now accessible.  Date: 9 April 1984 21:39-EST From: Richard E. Zippel To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Installed MIT-NU-0 thru MIT-NU-29 at their correct Chaos addresses.  Date: 7 April 1984 19:40-EST From: Richard E. Zippel To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC I've added mit-nu0 through mit-nu29 now that they are on the net.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA03946; Thu, 5 Apr 84 22:45:23 est Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 22:45:23 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8404060345.AA03946@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: fla & wild-blue-yonder & such Cc: marty%oz@mc I've uncommented wild-blue-yonder, deleted fla's conflicting net address and recompiled the host tables. I don't mean to harp on the point, but I'm sure that I fixed it when I was updating the tables the first time. I am at least sure that I editted hstmit > twice but there's only one copy before Marty's update bearing my name at the top. So I think that the fixed version got lost somewhere (is that sufficiently vague?). I am careful when I change the tables! - John  Date: 5 Apr 1984 21:43 EST (Thu) Message-ID: From: Martin David Connor To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC Cc: Romkey@MIT-BORAX.ARPA Subject: MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER This machine had the same address as MIT-FLA in HSTMIT. This made it impossible to compile a new host table. I commented it out until someone does it right. Marty  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA01686; Thu, 5 Apr 84 16:21:28 est Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 16:21:28 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8404052121.AA01686@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: additions to the host tables I just added MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER, MIT-BIG-BLUE, MIT-BLUE-LIGHT and MIT-BLUE-DANUBE to the hstmit > and hosts >. I also had to delete the subnet 26 address for MIT-FLA because MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER is really just a name for the other interface on fla. It's all Bob Iannucci's fault. - John Romkey  Date: 1 April 1984 22:01-EST From: Daniel Huttenlocher To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC HOSTS 731 and HSTMIT 191 add MIT-ASPEN and MIT-TELLURIDE, 3600's and comments out MIT_VAXLET which some twit put at a conflicting address with SCRC-PEACE.  Date: 30 March 1984 14:06-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC cc: MOON @ SCRC-TENEX Would someone from Symbolics please correct their host tables (remove duplicate-address entries)? The host tables cannot be compiled in the current state.  Date: Wed, 28 Mar 1984 19:55 EST Message-ID: From: Greg Skinner To: Gail Zacharias Cc: bug-mail@MIT-OZ, ee.mp@MIT-OZ, smh@MIT-EMS, STRAZ@MIT-OZ, info-hosts@MC Subject: mailing to athena In-reply-to: Msg of 28 Mar 1984 16:47-EST from Gail Zacharias There are a few easy ways out of this mess (some easier than others). 1. Somebody add mit-athena, and athena, as nicknames for charon, unless there's some special reason why that shouldn't be done. 2. Steve, if you were using MM, and did to: "mit-athena!tony"@mit-eddie, I believe MM would have converted it properly for MMAILR to use it. (Is that so, Gail? If not, we have a serious problem here.) If you didn't, you don't have to put quotes around the foreign address, because the quotes are there so MM won't interpret the ! as a comment. (Correct me again Gail if I'm wrong.) 3. In general, you should try to find other means besides using UUCP to send mail which you want delivered in a hurry. (It looked from the message as if you expected it to get there immediately.) UUCP mail is more than a magnitude of order slower than CHAOS mail, which means that it probably would have taken a day or so for your message to get to mit-athena (if it ever got there -- you'd be surprised at how often UUCP mail gets lost). I don't see any reason why they are not accepting chaos mail anyhow, seeing as they're on the chaosnet, that sort of goes along with the territory.  Date: 22 March 1984 00:47-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table installed.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA05041; Fri, 16 Mar 84 16:52:14 est Date: Fri, 16 Mar 84 16:52:14 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8403162152.AA05041@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mc Subject: hstmit additions I added two hosts, MIT-GUANO (it's Steve Ward's fault!) and MIT-CJT, both ibm pc's, to hstmit > and hosts >. - John Romkey  Date: Tue, 13 Mar 84 06:39 EST From: "Christopher C. Stacy" Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10 To: "David A. Moon" Cc: BUG-FTP@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, KLOTZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA In-reply-to: The message of 29 Feb 84 15:41-EST from David A. Moon Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST From: David A. Moon ftp. Really, it's user-interface brain death. You see it used to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't. We expected without thinking that it would. (I think that was it anyway; transfering in ascii rather than 36bit). It's not like it lies or anythign, but that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who really looks at spastic program printout anyway.... Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from "PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080". Thus FTP can no longer tell when a machine is a pdp10. Probably this was imposed on us by the NIC. Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the NHOSTN routine. Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix. I just changed FTP to think that things which run ITS, WAITS, TOPS10, TOPS20, TENEX, and FOONEX are PDP-10s. From: Leigh L. Klotz To: BUG-FTP @ MIT-MC Why do I get ASCII retrieve of FILE.EXT.2 started. twice whenever I use FTP to a twenex site? I haven't had occasion to use it with any other type of site. I think I have also fixed this bug.  Date: 9 March 1984 19:13-EST From: Charles Frankston Subject: Project Athena Vaxen & Large Chaos subnet numbers To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Two Project Athena Vaxen have been added to HSTMIT table as Chaos only hosts. They are MIT-CHARON, Chaos address 042015 and MIT-APOLLO, Chaos address 042013. APOLLO is not actually on the chaos net yet, but probably will be in time, along with another dozen or two Project Athena machines. Some of you may have noticed that these machines are on Chaos subnet 104o. This subnet is 11d higher than any previously active subnet on the MIT-Chaos net. This is due to various places which have reserved subnets not yet operational or connected to the main MIT Chaos net. This subnet is not reachable by a large number of Chaosnet hosts due to their routing tables being too small. I have fixed the bridges MIT-INFINITE and MIT-BYPASS, which merely needed recompiling. However, there are other bridges and hosts that should have their routing tables enlarged. In partcular the front end 11 for every 20 on campus, MIT-VAX and I imagine many other Unix hosts. Note that Chaos subnet 104o=68d, whereas the Athena machines all think they are on Internet subnet 18.58.xx.xx. I understand that there was once an attempt to maintain a correspondence between MIT internet subnet and Chaos subnet numbers. Apparently Project Athena was originally assigned a set of subnets starting at 58d, but when these were claimed by groups, no one bothered informing the Athena staff. This doesn't represent any problem yet, if it ever will, as there is no Internet link from the Athena machines to the rest of the Internet. I would also make a plea that if people increase their routing table sizes they go straight to 122d (172o). This is the number of subnet entries that will fit in the maximum size routing packet. It's real hard to figure out that no one can talk to your subnet because your routing packets are being ignored.  Date: 6 March 1984 21:44-EST From: Daniel Huttenlocher To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Installed MIT-GOLDILOCKS a 3600 at chaos address 15470.  Date: 6 March 1984 03:34-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table installed on MC.  Received: from SCRC-MERRIMACK by SCRC-RIVERSIDE via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 8509; Mon 5-Mar-84 08:30:35-EST Date: Monday, 5 March 1984, 08:36-EST From: Charles Hornig Subject: SYMBOLICS-3600 To: "David C. Plummer" cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-ML.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: The message of 25 Feb 84 15:07-EST from David C. Plummer Message-ID: <840305083652.1.Hornig@QUABBIN.SCRC.Symbolics> Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST From: David C. Plummer Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST From: David C. Plummer Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. Charlie, what's the story here? (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on vacation for another week or so.) Ignore me. I should have read all my mail first. Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST From: Ken Harrenstien To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess that is the new convention... When I first had SCRC-Peace added to the NIC host table, I told them that it was a Symbolics 3600. They assigned the machine type "SYMBOLICS-3600" to it. I followed their lead from then on.  Date: 3 March 1984 13:16-EST From: Daniel J. Carnese To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC MIT-LCS-HQ is now at LCS 12/200.  Date: Thu 1 Mar 84 15:42:02-EST From: John Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC cc: smh%MIT-EDDIE@MIT-MC.ARPA HOSTS 724 and HSTMIT 170 add Chaos sites MIT-EMS (6401), MIT-HAYDN (6402), and MIT-WAIF (6420). Additionally, MIT-INFINITE (bldg 8 bridge) has grown a new address 6410. Subnet vultures will note that this constitutes the (re)activation of subnet 15 as part of the Big Picture. -------  Received: from SCRC-EUPHRATES by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Wed 29-Feb-84 15:42:10-EST Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST From: "David A. Moon" Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10 To: bug-ftp@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: gsb@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA ftp. Really, it's user-interface brain death. You see it used to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't. We expected without thinking that it would. (I think that was it anyway; transfering in ascii rather than 36bit). It's not like it lies or anythign, but that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who really looks at spastic program printout anyway.... Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from "PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080". Thus FTP can no longer tell when a machine is a pdp10. Probably this was imposed on us by the NIC. Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the NHOSTN routine. Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix.  Date: Sun 26 Feb 84 22:28:29-EST From: John T. Wroclawski To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, bcn%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA HOSTS 723 and HSTMIT 169 add MIT-MATH-HUB at chaos 7740 (SN17, 340), a MINITS box out at the end of Bldg 2. It appears there is life out there after all. -------  Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST From: David C. Plummer To: DCP @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX, LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST From: David C. Plummer Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. Charlie, what's the story here? (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on vacation for another week or so.) Ignore me. I should have read all my mail first. Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST From: Ken Harrenstien To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess that is the new convention...  Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST From: David C. Plummer To: Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. Charlie, what's the story here? (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on vacation for another week or so.)  Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST From: Ken Harrenstien To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it. SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed. I guess that is the new convention...  Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600" on things, while our local tables say "3600". This makes the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention. Someone should decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.  Date: 21 February 1984 04:07-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC table installed on MC and ML.  Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA03676; Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est Date: Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey) Message-Id: <8402120535.AA03676@mit-borax.ARPA> To: info-hosts@mit-mc Subject: additions to hstmit Well, addition. I added mit-pluto, another ibm pc. I also changed the host type for mit-borax from vax to vax-11/750 so that lisp machines wouldn't complain that it was different from the type in the nic name table. - John Romkey romkey@mit-borax  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1984 23:21 EST Message-ID: From: CJL%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC I have changes mc:syseng;hstmit > and mc:syseng;hosts > : Chaosnet host MIT-PREP now is at Chaosnet addresses 13016 and 3413.  Date: 8 February 1984 18:31 EST From: Patrick A O'Donnell To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added MIT-COUGAR at CHAOS 3033. Did not compile.  Date: 8 February 1984 15:24 EST From: Richard Mark Soley Subject: MAHOGANY To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Added MIT-MAHOGANY (HO) to the Lisp Machine Forest. Moved MIT-NETLEAF-HACKBERRY to subnet 26.. -- Richard  Date: 2 February 1984 01:32 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Latest NIC host table installed on MC and ML.  Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST From: roger at mit-dspg To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc Subject: Re: new host table available I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas upon becoming an official member of the community. I thought after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed to draw out of it. Several of us would beg to differ, however, on the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as a further nickname. Many many thanks regardless! roger@dspg  Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST From: roger at mit-dspg To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc Subject: Re: new host table available I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas upon becoming an official member of the community. I thought after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed to draw out of it. Several of us would beg to differ, however, on the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as a further nickname. Many many thanks regardless! roger@dspg  Date: 23 January 1984 15:50 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: sufferin' succotash To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, roger @ MIT-DSPG I corrected the spelling of PUDDYTAT on the source.  Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:32-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: "PFC" To: John G. Aspinall Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC In-reply-to: The message of 23 Jan 84 10:13-EST from John G. Aspinall Date: 23 January 1984 10:13 EST From: John G. Aspinall Could I petition for the nickname "PFC" to be changed to apply to MIT-PFC-VAX (a server) and not MIT-FUSION (a terminal concentrator). I removed the "PFC" and "PFC-11" nicknames from the PLASMA concentrator, in the source. Will take effect next time there is a significant update.  Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:06-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: new host table available To: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC Cc: roger at mit-dspg, dove at mit-dspg, root at PUTTYTAT In-reply-to: The message of 12 Jan 84 09:24-EST from roger at mit-dspg I added MIT-SYLVESTER, a DSPG VAX running Unix at 15421 on the Chaosnet. Has nicknames SYLVESTER, PUTTYTAT, and SYL. Updated host tables on MC and ML (someone should copy them to OZ and XX, etc.) Chris  Date: 18 January 1984 10:53 EST From: Charles Hornig To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC Copied NIC:HOSTS.TXT.325 to MC and recompiled tables.  Date: 10 Jan 1984 18:04:41-PST From: romkey@MIT-BORAX Real-name: John L. Romkey To: info-hosts@mc Subject: name table additions I added two hosts, MIT-PEPSI and MIT-SELTZER, to hstmit on mc. - John  Date: 9 Jan 1984 21:52:52-PST From: romkey@MIT-BORAX Real-name: John L. Romkey To: info-hosts@mc Subject: added two hosts Hi, I added two hosts (MIT-COKE and MIT-DR-PEPPER, two Now machines) to the host tables. - John  Received: from SCRC-CHARLES by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Wed 4-Jan-84 20:29:22-EST Date: Wed, 4 Jan 84 20:33 EST From: "David C. Plummer" Subject: Some machines really do care what garbage gets put in databases... To: Hostmaster@SRI-NIC.ARPA Cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, lwa@MIT-XX.ARPA In-reply-to: The message of 31 Dec 83 17:46-EST from David C. Plummer , The message of 4 Jan 84 17:15-EST from lwa at MIT-CSR Please remove the TCP/SUPDUP service entry from MIT-BORAX; BORAX does not currently (and has never to my knowledge) had a SUPDUP server.