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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:15:02 EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Athena chaos address fakeout, HOSTS3 compiler broken.
To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].851075.860314.SRA>

1) The chaosnet address of ATHENA in the newest HSTMIT is a lie.
   The address listed is really a different project athena machine.
   ENS@ATHENA and I did this because Athena itself is off the chaosnet
   for an indefinite time due to hardware lossage beyond their control.
   So this way mail will get through without having to go via MC, but
   trying to SUPDUP or TELNET to Athena via chaos will lose.  Sorry.

2) The HOSTS3 compiler has run out of address space again, so it won't
   be possible to generate new HOSTS3 binary files until I figure out
   some new class of hosts or nicknames that can be safely pruned from
   HSTNIC.  PDP10s (and vaxen who port HOSTS2.TXT files from XX or OZ)
   beware.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 16:08:57 EST
From: Mike McIlrath <mbm@mit-caf>
To: info-hosts@mc, jis@athena
Cc: kmware@mit-caf
Subject: please add host


Please add host "bogart", a microvaxII running unix (with the usual 
accoutrements).
        
        IP      18.62.0.234
        CHAOS   12752

Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 86 00:34:55 EST
From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: bad address
To: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU
cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15545.860222.CENT>

    Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST
    From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
    To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
    Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu
    In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
    Subject: Re: bad address
    Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct.
                            -Jeff

the line

HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP ::

in my previous msg was from MC:SYSHST;HSTMIT >. indeed, the following are in
MC:SYSHST;HSTNIC > :

HOST : 18.86.0.4 : XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP : TCP/SMTP :
HOST : 18.86.0.6 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN : IBM-4341 : VM : TCP/TELNET,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FTP :

but the host-finding, given the evidence, is running off HSTMIT.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 22:44:14 EST
From: jis@BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
Message-Id: <8602220344.AA04021@BITSY.MIT.EDU>
To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
Cc: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU, info-hosts@mc.lcs.mit.edu
In-Reply-To: "Pandora B. Berman"'s message of Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
Subject: Re: bad address

Whose host tables were those... the NIC's is correct.

                        -Jeff
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 86 21:27:08 EST
From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: bad address
To: kevin%harvard@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU
cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].15471.860221.CENT>

    To: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@ai.ai.mit.edu>
    Cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@ai.ai.mit.edu
    Subject: Re: bad address
    Date: 20 Feb 86 11:54:35 EST (Thu)
    From: kevin%harvard@harvard.HARVARD.EDU
    The problem is that the message is addressed to sloan.mit.edu, not to
    xv.mit.edu.  Please fix the list so that you're really mailing to
    header-people-incoming@xv.mit.edu.
    Kevin Crowston
    Postmaster, xv.mit.edu

a couple days ago i sent you this mail indicating that i had just done so:
    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 86 05:03:25 EST
    From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
    Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2 
    To: kevin@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU
    cc: HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU
        Date: Tue, 31 Dec 85 15:22:51 EST
        From: kevin@harvard.HARVARD.EDU (Kevin Crowston)
        To: header-people-request@mit-mc.arpa 
        Subject: Changing the name of mit-sloan.mit.edu, take 2 
        Sorry about the previous confusion....  Anyway, here's our hoped
        for schedule for the change over:
         immediately the host "mit-sloan.mit.edu", internet address
        [18.86.0.4] will be identifying itself as "xv.mit.edu".
         This weekend, I hope, the MIT name server will be updated to know
        that "xv.mit.edu" is really [18.86.0.4].  (It turns out that the
        only person in the universe who can make this change has been on
        vacation all this time, so this hasn't happened yet.)  I will mail
        another letter as soon as I hear that the nameserver is up-to-date.
         The current time table says that by 15 January,
        "mit-sloan.mit.edu" will be the name of a different machine, so I
        hope that the changes in the various mailing list will have been
        made by then.
         Once again, sorry for the confusion; I hope the too hasty change
        hasn't started mail bouncing all over the net.
        kevin@harvard.arpa
        kevin%xv.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (soon)
        kevin%mit-sloan.mit.edu@mit-mc.arpa (now)
    i recently noticed that SLOAN has aqcuired XV as an alternate name, or
    nickname, or whatever, so have just implemented your above request for
    address change. it took me -this long- to grasp the pun; i must be slowing
    down.

at that time i had in fact changed your entry; until i commented it out
yesterday, this is how it read:
(header-people-incoming @XV)    ; req. of Kevin@SLOAN Crowston 1sep85

now, this is what the host table says about the host in question:
HOST : 18.86.0.4 : SLOAN.MIT.EDU,MIT-SLOAN.ARPA,MIT-SLOAN,SLOAN,XV.MIT.EDU,MIT-XV.ARPA,MIT-XV,XV : DANDELION : INTERLISP ::

the host table thinks XV and SLOAN are the same thing. clearly the host
table, not the Header-People list, is what is confused.  i suggest that you
arrange to have the host table fixed with respect to the Sloan host(s).
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1986  13:55 EST
Message-ID: <SRA.12184397767.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
To:   cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
cc:   info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Subject: tables broken again

NEWTON is now listed in both HSTAI and HSTG.  Massive lossage.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1986  05:03 EST
Message-ID: <SRA.12182990201.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
To:   info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
cc:   sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, cjl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject: Cretinous lossage

Some pinhead put a bunch of EECS hosts into the HSTAI table
(presumably by putting them into Reagan's namespace).  This causes the
host table compiler to barf, since the culprit didn't get all the
names right and there are primary name mismatches.

Host tables will be disfunctional until this is fixed at the source,
since I am not about to start a namespace war with a Lisp Machine.

Chris, you might want to install a filter in Reagan's table dump
program so that it won't propagate this kind of lossage.

--Rob
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1986  21:14 EST
Message-ID: <SRA.12180807532.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
To:   info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, postmaster@VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU
Subject: VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU now listed as Chaos-only host

I commented out the IP address for VAX.LCS.MIT.EDU (VX).  As the
person responsible for keeping the LCS tables in some state that
vaugely reflects reality, I just went ahead and did this by fiat
without waiting for VX's owners to give me permission (or more
accurately, I timed out while waiting for a useful answer to my
queries).  This change will affect the MIT HOSTS3 and HSTMIT files
(and anything that is generated from them) and the LCS.MIT.EDU domain.
It will *not* affect the NIC tables, so we can change things back
quietly if/when VX's TCP/IP code becomes reliable enough to use for
mail on a regular basis.

Anybody who wants to change this back please talk to me first.  There
are some issues involved that are not readily apparent.
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Date: Fri 31 Jan 86 22:56:40-EST
From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: [Communications Satellite <COMSAT@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>: Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST]
To: info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <12179777611.35.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 86 16:21:31 EST
From: Communications Satellite <COMSAT@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Msg of Thursday, 30 January 1986 16:21-EST
To: "MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU"@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].801937.860130>

============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============
"INFO-HOST" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient.
============ Failed message follows: ============
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Date: Thu 30 Jan 86 13:04:36-EST
From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: mit-caf
To: info-host@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <12179407684.24.MBM@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>

MIT-CAF's internet address is 18.62.0.232, not 18.21.  Thanks.
--mike
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 86 21:55:35 EST
From: "Pandora B. Berman" <CENT%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:  SYSNET;HSTMIT ?
To: Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.MIT.EDU
cc: INFO-Hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].12019.860128.CENT>

    Date:  Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST
    From:  Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA
    Subject:  sysnet;hstmit
    To:  info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
    I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some time in
    generating my host table.  It seems as this file is no longer to be
    found in the same location on mc.  This is not surprizing considering
    that mc is sort of going away.  Where is this file currently?  Is it
    going to be updated any longer?  If you don't know about this, do you
    know anyone who does?

the file has been moved in the SYSHST; directory -- SYSHST;HSTMIT is what
you should now look for.  SRA@XX is doing most of the work here on
host-table related things now, so you should direct questions about its
status to him.
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Date:  Tue, 28 Jan 86 11:29 EST
From:  Mills@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA
Subject:  sysnet;hstmit
To:  info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID:  <860128162939.998026@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA>

Hi there,
          I have been using the file sysnet;hstmit off of mc for some
time in generating my host table.  It seems as this file is no longer to
be found in the same location on mc.  This is not surprizing considering
that mc is sort of going away.  Where is this file currently?  Is it
going to be updated any longer?  If you don't know about this, do you
know anyone who does?

Thanks, John Mills
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 86 18:52:50 EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:  MC binary host table
To: INFO-HOSTS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, NAMECALLERS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].786028.860116.SRA>

I turned off the code that was generating the names like
MIT-foo.MIT.EDU and foo.MIT.EDU (for hosts that are in some other
domain, ie, AI or LCS).  This was necessary because COMSAT was
completely out of address space and I needed the few K this freed up
just to keep COMSAT running.

This means that (1) host tables will be a little smaller, and that (2)
it is possible that you will be unable to reply to hosts that are
still using these names (nobody should be, but they still linger in
some dark corners).  If you need a table that has all this cruft, you
can get the binary from XX:<SYSTEM>HOSTS3.BIN and the text form of
HSTMIT from XX:<HOSTS>HSTMIT.TXT.

Sorry for the short (one might even say negative) notice, but this was
an emergency fix.

--Rob
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1985  07:14 EST
Message-ID: <SRA.12168071706.BABYL@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
To:   info-hosts@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, namecallers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU
cc:   sra@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU
Subject: New host tables installed on MC.

The new tables that have been running on XX on an experimental basis
have now been installed on MC and AI.  A few things to note:

At CSTACY's request, the tables no longer live in MC: SYSNET; because
the directory got too crowded.  All the text files have been moved to
MC: SYSHST;.  The old versions of the host tables are still present in
SYSNET; on the off chance that we have to back out of this, but they
will be going away soon.  The binary host table of course is still in
SYSBIN;.

There is a little bit of documentation in some of the files in SYSHST;
ask me if you need help, I would much rather have to answer a lot of
silly questions than have to pick up the pieces if somebody breaks all
this.

For those who deleted my last warning on this subject, the new host
table is significantly larger than the old one.  Some programs on your
machine will probably barf and need to be recompiled.  Sorry.

Problems, flames, etc to me and NAMECALLERS.

--Rob
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 85 16:30:06 EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:  WARNING: host tables changing tonight
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Reply-To: sra@mc
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].758370.851217.SRA>

I am going to try installing the new domain-style host tables on MC
(and possibly AI) tonight.  I will send out another message when this
is done.  In the meantime, anybody who is automaticly snarfing tables
off of MC should beware, since various weird things may happen.
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Date: Mon 2 Dec 85 14:49:53-EST
From: "J. Noel Chiappa" <JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Impending host table format change
To: Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <SRA.12162783491.BABYL@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Message-ID: <12163960357.23.JNC@MIT-XX.ARPA>

        One other thing we should try and tackle in an organised
fashion is allocation of host numbers on wires. Right now, it's
done by looking through the host tables, which aren't organized in
any useful fashion for this; in addition, some people chose a number,
look to see if anyone has that number in protocol family X, and
don't check to see if anyone is using it in family Y, with the
result that a single host number winds up on two machines, with
all the attendant hassle.
        Shawn keeps files for the LCS Ring and Ether, but they aren't
publicy known about. It would be good if we had files for all the
wires which random people hang new things on somewhere. Any ideas?

        Noel
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1985  03:05 EST
Message-ID: <SRA.12162783491.BABYL@MIT-XX.ARPA>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
To:   Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, Namecallers@MIT-MC.ARPA
Reply-To: Namecallers@MC
Subject: Impending host table format change

I am in the final stages of debugging the various filters, etc to
implement the compartmentalization of the MIT host tables.  For those
who aren't in on this already, HSTMIT is being split up into several
smaller files that map one to one with Internet domains (AI.MIT.EDU,
LCS.MIT.EDU, ATHENA.MIT.EDU, etc).  The new host tables are actually
complete right now, and reside in MC: SYSNET;.  Don't anybody try to
use them yet though (you would have to work very hard to do so
anyway).  There is even a little documentation for them as wants it,
in MC: SYSNET; HSTNEW README.  I'll be testing this for a little while
on XX before mucking with the MC binaries, but that will happen fairly
soon (within two weeks) if nothing major goes wrong.

Anyone who uses the MC host tables at all is hereby warned that
something is almost certain to break on your machine when this change
goes into effect.  The most probably cause is the sheer size of the
new table.  The complete HOSTS3 table (HSTNIC + all the things that
used to be in HSTMIT) will be significantly bigger (how much depends
on what measure you use; the big change is a lot more nicknames for
MIT hosts, some fairly long).  A lot of this is temporary; far too
many existing programs have assumptions about primary hostnames
hardwired into them, so this part of the changeover has to be done in
stages.  Obviously there are a lot of tradeoffs here; questions or
suggestions on this should go to NAMECALLERS@MC rather than all of
INFO-HOSTS.

For now, anybody who edits MC: SYSNET; HSTMIT > should also edit the
appropriate subdomain file.  If you aren't sure what to do, just make
sure to tell me what changes you made and I'll update the appropriate
file.

I will send another message to INFO-HOSTS when I start the actual
changeover on MC, but I wanted to make sure that people had some
advance warning about this.

--Rob
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 85 23:41:20 EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:  HSTMIT table fixed (again)
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].717323.851113.SRA>

I changed the primary name of MIT-MORRISON to MIT-MORRISON.ARPA.

People, please note that the primary hostname in HSTMIT *must* match
the primary hostname in HSTNIC (if the machine is in HSTNIC at all, of
course).  If you break this rule you will also break the HOSTS3
compiler and thus all six PDP10s.

Also, if anybody edits HSTMIT in the near future, please send me mail
even if you don't send any to INFO-HOSTS for some reason.  I am going
to be bringing up a current set of tables for the brave new world of
domains and if you make changes without telling me they won't show up
in the new tables.

--Rob
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Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 23:08:16-EST
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Re: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: Message from "Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>" of Wed 30 Oct 85 22:23:14-EST

Correction to previous message.

  . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.

should be:

  . The primary name for MIT-EECS is now MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.
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Date: Wed 30 Oct 85 21:50:20-EST
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: HSTMIT 458 and HOSTS 878
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JIS@ATHENA.MIT.EDU

Have been updated to reflect the following changes:

  . The primary name for MIT-EECS is not MIT-DEEP-THOUGHT.
  . The nicknames MIT-DT and DT have been added.

  . ZARQUON, HACTAR, PRAK, and SLARTIBARTFAST have been commented out
    since they have not been speaking chaos for quite some time and
    the continued existence in the host table as chaos hosts was 
    causing mail queued for them to go undelivered.

Chris: You should consider adding service entries to some of the hosts
       in HSTFIX.  In particular, MIT-SPEAKER, and a few others.  Gail's
       FTP checks this entry.

        ~ Cliff
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Date: Tue 22 Oct 85 16:04:03-EDT
From: William B. Ackerman <WBA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: sysnet;hstmit >
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <12153215031.33.WBA@MIT-XX.ARPA>

I made a few minor changes to 2nd floor Explorers in SYSNET;HSTMIT >.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 85 10:34:30 EDT
From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].663271.850930.PGS>

Does anyone know of an internet path either to inria or mcvax?
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 85 12:01:06 edt
From: romkey@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU (John Romkey)
Message-Id: <8509131601.AA19554@MIT-BORAX.MIT.EDU>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: "new" host

I've added a "new" host, MIT-BORAX-CHAOS, address 15101, temporarily
while I'm bringing up chaosnet on borax. Once I'm sure the chaos code
is stable I'll punt this name and just add a chaos address for BORAX.
                                                - john
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 85 20:46:58 EDT
From: Thye-Lai Tung <TLTUNG@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Change in Net Address
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].640485.850910.TLTUNG>

I changed the Chaosnet address of MIT-WAIF from 6420 to 12751.

- Thye-Lai Tung
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1985  03:55 EDT
Message-ID: <PGS.12141023798.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: PGS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
To:   Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
cc:   info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subject: Have you seen these machines?

Alcator is a Vax at Alcator; it runs VMS.  The last time I heard of someone
using it was a couple of years ago.  PFC-VAX is another VMS VAX; it's at the
Plasma Fusion Center.  PFC-Versatec is presumably a MINITS 11 running DCP's
Versatec code at Plasma Fusion Center.  Cougar is the wrist controller for
the Puma robot arm; like Puma, it's an 11 running MINITS.  It's in 905
(Robotics Group, of course).  Golem is a 750 running VMS; it controls Ken
Salisbury's tendon hand; it's in the Lisp Machine corral.  Robotics Group
again.
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1985  16:04 EDT
Message-ID: <SRA.12140894256.BABYL@MIT-XX>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX>
To:   info-hosts@mc
Subject: have you seen these machines

Thanks to everybody who responded.  I now have all the machines pegged
except for ARMSTRONG and SARAH, and all that really matters in this
case is knowing that they don't belong to LCS, AI, Athena, EECS, or
Speech (of course, if somebody *does* know about these two I'd like to
hear it...).

--Rob
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 21:50:00 edt
From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
To: SRA@MIT-XX, info-hosts@mc
Subject: Re:  Have you seen these machines?

PI is Ron Rivest's (original) 3600 and lives on the third floor
of Tech Sq.  HARRIS-BRIDGE is a minits box dedicated to the
chaos link with Harris Corp. in Fla.   It lives in the second
floor machine room and is tended by Rich Zippel and Bert Halstead.

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 85 19:33:03 edt
From: Steven Haflich <smh@mit-ems.ARPA>
Message-Id: <8509032333.AA23824@mit-ems.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: Re:  Have you seen these machines?

INFINITE is the building 8 chaos bridge, and is named after a certain
corridor.  It connects subnets 017, 021, and 023(?).  Most recently,
bcn@ee has maintained it.

WAIF is a VMS 750 belonging to Prof Antoniadis' group on the 3rd floor
of bldg 10.  Contact tung@{waif,eddie} for details.
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1985  19:13 EDT
Message-ID: <SRA.12140404499.BABYL@MIT-XX>
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX>
To:   info-hosts@mc
Subject: Have you seen these machines?

I've been sorting through the MIT and NIC host tables to figure out
which labs/departments own which machines.  Here's the last few that
nobody seems to recognize.  If you know who these machines belong to,
please send me mail.  Thanks....

ALCATOR         ARMSTRONG       COUGAR          GOLEM
HARRIS-BRIDGE   INFINITE        MERLIN          PFC-TEST
PFC-VAX         PFC-VERSATEC    PI              SARAH
WAIF
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 85 00:03:43 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: MIT SUBNETS@MIT-MC.ARPA, JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA, jis@MIT-ATHENA.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].624989.850827.JNC>

        Not having heard any loud complaints, I moved the three unused
nets (LCS 4th Ether, WHOI nets) out of the area of conflict with
Athena. The LCS 4th Ether became 061/49. and the WHOI nets became
0160/0161 respectively. The leaves only the Building 11 Ethernet to
fix; it's CHAOS address of 0104 conflicts with the Main Campus Spine,
and it's IP address of 58. conflicts with the 7AI-2LCS link (!).
        I also edited in some more information that Jeff Schiller
provided.
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Date: 25 Aug 1985 01:47:51-EDT
From: gill@MIT-CCC
To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, gill@MIT-CCC, jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA,
    jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA
Subject: Re:  host2 tables
Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA

Based on the old one in syseng; the host2 table you generated had one small
error:

        NET CHAOS   7,

should be

        NET CHAOS,  7

Other than that, it went down smoothly. Although my host table parser
also deals with the so-called host3 format, I would like to switch over 
to a domain system in the near future. What references are there on how
one should, and how others have already, implemented domain naming?

        - Gill
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 22:43:30 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:  host2 tables
To: jma@MIT-VAX.ARPA, jon@MIT-VAX.ARPA, saj@MIT-PREP.ARPA,
    gill@MIT-CCC
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 24 Aug 85 21:54:28 EDT from Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY at MIT-MC.ARPA>
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623378.850824.CSTACY>

SYSNET;HSTCHA HOSTS2 contains a sample HOSTS2 file generated by my
hack from HSTMIT.  It contains only Chaosnet hosts. I am putting this
here in case you need it and want to pick it up right away before
learning how to create such files yourself.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 85 19:40:41 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:  New Host tables
To: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA, BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].623329.850824.CSTACY>

As I said, I don't think backing out of the binary was the right thing,
since only the QMAIL program uses that information, it's usually wrong,
and all it does is warn you that the site doesn't claim to support mail.
In fact, the system will send mail to sites which don't claim to support
the service. Since the information has not been used by anyone, I don't
think there has been a great effort to keep it correct.  Backing up to
an older binary means that some valid hosts will be compeltely unknown,
and mail to hosts which have moved will be permanently lost.  Moreover,
QMAIL is an ITS-only program (and hence an ITS bug) but the binary table
is used by some other sites (such as OZ.)

Anyway, I just went in and added the service lists to the dozen or so
sites which I think support mail but which didn't claim to, and created
a new binary table.

I stuck the subnet stuff back into the HSTMIT host table source file
where it has always been; it was an oversight that I forgot to include
it in that one version.
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:51:28 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: New Host tables
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622549.850823.JNC>

        The switch to the new host tables introduced a slight
problem in that CHAOS only hosts are now using an RFC810 format
instead of the old HOSTS format; the new format allows services
to be listed, and the old one did not. So, all CHAOS only hosts
are now listed without any services! This is causing some programs
(e.g. :MAIL) to complain. We have temporarily backed out of the
binary (*not* the source) of the new tables; someone will have
to go in and edit all the right services onto OZ, PYG, etc.

        Noel
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 11:21:31 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Subnet number info
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622522.850823.JNC>

        I retrieved the subnet number information which used to
reside at the end of HSTMIT > and placed it in MITSN > in SYSNET.
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 85 09:48:50 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622460.850823.CSTACY>

The MIT host table is now consolidated into a single file again.
HSTMIT contains both Internet and Chaosnet hosts in extended RFC810 format.
Anyone needing a table in HOSTS2 format can contact me about a Common-lisp
hack I wrote to produce such things.

(There are still other files required to make a binary host table for
MIT-MC, and you should still not attempt to do that unless you really
know what you are doing.)

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 85 23:08:53 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Symbolics subnets removed
To: MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].622091.850822.JNC>

        As I mentioned doing a while back, the Symbolics subnets have
been removed from the HSTMIT file. Also, a subnet was allocated to
the MIT<->YoyoDyne serial link.
        Finally, would anyone object if I renumbered the 'LCS 4th
floor Ethernet' (which doesn't seem to have any hosts on it) away from
its current number (59.), since the range of subnet numbers from 58.
to 67. is occupied in the IP address space by some Athena networks
placed there by a beano in octal->decimal conversion (don't ask).

        Noel
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 85 22:56 EDT
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
Subject: MIT-VAX
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850805225603.2.RZ@ZERMATT>

This entry has been moved to HSTMIB now that it speaks both Chaos and
TCP/IP

HOST : 18.26.0.95, CHAOS 4120 : MIT-VAX.ARPA,MIT-VAX,MIT-VX,VX : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SUPDUP,CHAOS/NAME,CHAOS/TIME,CHAOS/TELNET,CHAOS/SUPDUP,CHAOS/MAIL,CHAOS/CFTP :
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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 85 17:09 EDT
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
Subject: New Lisp machines
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850802170919.8.RZ@ZERMATT>


The following entries were added both to SYSNET;HOSTS and HSTMIT

HOST MIT-CHAMROUSSE,    CHAOS 15326,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[CHAMROUSSE]
HOST MIT-FLUTE,         CHAOS 15330,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[FLUTE]
HOST MIT-RTS-0,         CHAOS 15331,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[MIT-RTS]
HOST MIT-RTS-1,         CHAOS 15332,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[WARD,RTS-1]
HOST MIT-RTS-2,         CHAOS 15333,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[CJT,RTS-2]
HOST MIT-RTS-3,         CHAOS 15334,USER,LISPM,EXPLORER,[JMA,RTS-3]
HOST MIT-SARAJEVO,      CHAOS 15325,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[SARAJEVO]
HOST MIT-VIOLIN,        CHAOS 15327,USER,LISPM,SYMBOLICS-3600,[VIOLIN]

Some other small changes were made to the NU entries.  In particular,
TERMAN, WARD and JMA nicknames were moved to TERMAN-NU, WARD-NU and
JMA-NU.  RZ nickname was deleted.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 85 07:09 EDT
From: David C. Plummer in disguise <DCP@SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA>
Subject: Symbolics subnets
To: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>, MIT-IP-PEOPLE@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].585023.850722.JNC>
Message-ID: <850723070907.2.NFEP@NEPONSET.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>

    Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 23:49:13 EDT
    From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>

[Info-hosts added.]

            Unless I hear some complaints from the Symbolics people on
    this list, since the CHAOS link to Symbolics is completely gone (and
    the address spaces no longer even partially congruent) I'd like to
    think about recycling the Symbolics subnets from the MIT subnet
    table. How about it, guys, is this OK?

I believe all the namespaces involved have not communicated chaos
information for months.  I know of no technical reasons not to reuse
subnets.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 85 22:37:34 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Allocated MIT subnet
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: JNC@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].584942.850722.JNC>

        The IP only subnet 124. is the Ethernet a Proteon.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 85 12:01:27 EDT
From: Richard Mlynarik <MLY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: removed mit-pigpen from sysnet;hstmic and sysnet;hstmit
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].581655.850719.MLY>

This machine (really at Symbolix, Inc) no longer exists.
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Date: Wed 17 Jul 85 13:13:57-EDT
From: Michael B McIlrath <MBM@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: new host table entries
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

In HSTMIC, MIT-CAF-SWITCH-{0-3}, CHAOS 01270{0-3}

In HSTMIB, MIT-CAF.ARPA, CHAOS 12750, IP 18.21.0.232

I just edited the files.  I did not compile the tables; I dont know how.
--mike
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 85 19:12:56 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: **** New Files ***
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].555778.850625.CSTACY>

The host tables have been slightly rearranged as follows.

SYSNET;HSTNIC - The official Internet host table from the NIC.
                This is retrieved automatically from SRI-NIC each
                evening. No one ever edits this file.
                Hackers note: this file contains domain-style names
                such as "MIT-MC.ARPA" and "PURDUE.EDU", which is
                what everyone is (supposed to be) using now.
                --- This is in RFC810 format (of course.)

SYSNET;HSTMIC - Hosts which are ONLY on the Chaosnet and no other
                networks. This file does NOT include Chaosnet hosts
                which are also on the Internet.
                --- HSTMIC is currently in HOSTS2 format, although it will
                    probably be converted to modified RFC810* soon.

SYSNET;HSTMIB - Hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet.
                The hosts in here are basically copies of certain HSTNIC
                entries, but with Chaosnet addresses added.
                Note that sites which are Chaosnet-only need HSTMIB also!
                --- HSTMIB is in modified RFC810* format.

SYSNET;HSTMII - Hosts which are only on the Internet but which the NIC
                does not know about.  Since there probably shouldn't be
                any such hosts, this file may disappear in the future.
                The dozen hosts currently listed in here are being contacted
                to see what they think is going on with their host names.
                --- HSTMII is in HOSTS2 format.

* (Modified RFC810 format means that the address field may contain
   keyword network specs.  Example: "HOST : CHAOS 1440 : MIT-MC ...".
   The HOSTS3 compiler understands this format.)

The file SYSNET;HSTMIT is now obsolete and outdated.  Host additions
and changes should be made in the HSTMIC and HSTMIB files instead.
The new files are up to date (from HSTMIT 405 written this evening).

When you edit one of the files, be sure to send a note to everybody at
INFO-HOSTS describing your change.  Do not try to compile the files
for MC; this will be done periodically by an ITS hacker.

Cheers,
Chris


PS. New host tables compiled and installed on MC.
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Date: Tue 25 Jun 85 17:43:31-EDT
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

Added MIT-GAUGUIN @ chaos 15414. Whoever put MIT-GEEK after MIT-GOOFY,
please remember there are some programs around that care about
slphabetization.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
Message-Id: <8506182217.AA20323@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU>
To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT

Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has
Internet service but no chaosnet service.

                        -Jeff
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 85 18:17:26 edt
From: jis@MIT-BITSY.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller)
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To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
Cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Christopher C. Stacy's message of Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT

Yes this is really true. They are located in building E15 which has
Internet service but no chaosnet service.

                        -Jeff
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 22:48:00 edt
From: Steven Haflich <smh@mit-ems.ARPA>
Message-Id: <8506180248.AA00540@mit-ems.ARPA>
To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subject: ZAXXON and XEVIOUS

These machines are 3600's in E15, the new Media Lab.  The building
connects to the campus spine, thus is Internet.  There are a couple
Chaos hosts in the building which can (and occasionally do)
communicate, but there is no Chaos connection to the outside world.

It may be in the future that the MINITS bridge ARCMAC-HUB will get
reconstituted in order to connect the ARCMAC Magic-6 hosts to
the real world again.  If so, it might be necessary to boot it from
MIT-EMS, which is also in the building, and if so, MIT-EMS might
then assume MIT-MC's chaos address -- it's easier than cutting a
new rom for ARCMAC-HUB.  For this and other reasons, we chose not
to publicise chaos hackery within E15.  No one outside should ever
see any of it.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 17:16:58 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:  Mailer lossage was due to vandalized host table
To: BUG-COMSAT@MIT-MC.ARPA, MEYER@MIT-MC.ARPA, PSZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
    RAY@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA,
    smh@MIT-EMS, bandy@LLL-CRG.ARPA, kmp@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA,
    Postmaster@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547207.850617.CSTACY>


Disregarding my previous warnings that MC uses a special host table,
someone on 6/16 installed a bogus host table which broke the mail
system.  (I believe the exact breakage was that the host table forgot
all about any hosts which are on both the Internet and the Chaosnet,
including MIT-MC.)  I have de-installed the broken table, and mail is
flowing again.  I resubmitted about 40 incorrectly failed messages
which the mail system had retained copies of, but an indetermintent
number of messags were mis-delivered or completely lost. I have
removed the command file used to create new host tables.

     PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL ANY HOST TABLES ON MIT-MC.

Chris
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 85 16:14:17 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].547045.850617.CSTACY>

I wonder why ZAXXON and XEVIOUS have Internet addresses but no Chaosnet
addresses?  Is this really true?
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From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8506171529.AA12548@mit-borax.ARPA>
Date: Jun 17, 1985 10:38am
Subject: new hosts
To: info-hosts@mc

I added the following hosts to HSTMIT >: MIT-LECTROID (YOYODYNE-GW,
MIT-EIGHTH-DIMENSION), MIT-LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN (LORD-JOHN-WHORFIN,
JOHN-WHORFIN), MIT-JOHN-BIGBOOTE (JOHN-BIGBOOTE, BIGBOOTE), MIT-JOHN-YAYA
(JOHN-YAYA, YAYA) and MIT-JOHN-SMALLBERRIES (JOHN-SMALLBERRIES, SMALLBERRIES).
These machines are all on the yoyodyne subnet, of course.
                                                        - John Romkey
"Laugha while you can, monkey boy." - Lord John Whorfin

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 85 15:43:01 edt
From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
To: info-hosts@mc

Added CONCERT-0 through CONCERT-7, changed the address of CONCERT-TEST
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 85 12:00 EDT
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850604120026.9.RZ@ZERMATT>

I renamed MIT-OVAL to MIT-CORNCOB, but did not recompile the
host tables.  MIT-CORNCOB is now in the Lispm namespace
and OVAL has been deleted.
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Date: Tue, 28 May 85 10:39:54 EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: note that MC is running with a funny HOSTS3 table
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].521491.850528.CSTACY>

MIT-MC is running an experimental version of our mail system and
certain other programs.  This stuff uses a host table containing
domain-style names and is not generated from the usual files.  

This means if you make any changes, compile and install them, they
will not take effect on MC.  Assuming everything works, at the end of
the week the experimental stuff on MC will become the normal stuff.
The procedure for hacking the host tables will be a little different
at that time.

(Also, I am working on getting a domain name resolver/server going on
MC, and when that's up things will change yet again. Stay tuned!)
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Date: Mon, 27 May 85 20:43:42 EST
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC>
Subject: New HOST, tables not recompiled
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: JNC@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].521097.850527.JNC>

        Added MIT-AI-GW, 26/10, the MIT-AI ARPANet gateway.
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Date: Tue, 21 May 85 11:21:17 EST
From: S. Robert Austein <SRA@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].512587.850521.SRA>

Added MIT-OVAL (Imagen 12/300 printer) so that I don't have to type
the address in octal every time the unix spooler flakes out.
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Date: Wed, 15 May 85 20:57:55 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8505160057.AA06477@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: new host

I added MIT-DB (MIT-DBS, DBS) to the tables.
                                                        - John
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Date: Mon, 13 May 85 10:23 EDT
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ@MIT-ZERMATT.ARPA>
Subject: Telluride
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: darth@OZ.MIT
Message-ID: <850513102328.8.RZ@ZERMATT.MIT>

Has been moved to Chaos 15322, so its internet address wouldn't conflict
with Blue-Jeans (had been 15030).
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Date: Sat, 11 May 85 08:46:35 EST
From: Gail Zacharias <GZ@MIT-MC>
Sender: ___013@MIT-MC
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].497408.850511.___013>

I commented out mit-devmultics from hstmit, because it conflicts seriously (per
hosts3 compiler) with info in the nic table.
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Date: Sat 11 May 85 00:00:49-EDT
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

Added MIT-MONET, a lispm, at chaos 16230. Changed CADR26, etc., from
nicknames for MIT-POLAR to nicknames for monet, which is the real
cadr-26, polar being a symbolix LM2.
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Date: Thu,  2 May 85 19:20:02 EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-MC>
Subject: New HSTMIT
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: JNC@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].482449.850502.JNC>

        Someone had typed in all the Student Center machines' subnet
number in decimal when of course it needs to be in octal.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 85 23:52:28 EDT
From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].478647.850430.JIS>

Added the AMT Ethernet and its hosts (subnet 125 octal 85 decimal).

                        -Jeff
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 14:00 EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Wait, it gets better.
To: Alan Bawden <ALAN@MIT-MC.ARPA>
cc: BUG-MAIL@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <[MIT-MC].473710.850429.ALAN>
Message-ID: <850429140021.2.CSTACY@APIARY-7>

    Date: Mon, 29 Apr 85 01:26:25 EDT
    From: Alan Bawden <ALAN@MIT-MC>

    I hope MIT-POSEIDON is ready to handle all the mail addressed to people who
    use the Foonly (POS) at Symbolics...

This is because on 4/26/85 someone munged the HOSTS MASTER file and
then compiled a new host table.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 85 11:19 EST
From: Charles Hornig <Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
Subject: Symbolics host tables
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, comp-fac@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM
Message-ID: <850424111949.7.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>

The files HSTSYM and HSTSYI which contain information about Symbolics
hosts should be deleted and references to them removed.  Access to
Symbolics hosts from now on should be through the Internet.

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Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:44:37 EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC>
Sender: CSTAC0@MIT-MC
Subject:  REAGAN
To: MLY@MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
In-reply-to: Msg of Fri12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST from Richard Mlynarik <MLY>
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452451.850412.CSTAC0>

    Date: Fri,12 Apr 85 01:36:37 EST
    From: Richard Mlynarik <MLY>
    Sender: MLY0
    To:   BUG-HOSTS
    Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].452440.850412.MLY0>

    reagan, amonst many other machines, is not believed to have a chaos
    address by mc.

REAGAN was put into the NIC's host table in a manner which collided
with and supusersede its entry in the chaosnet hosts table.
I "fixed" this. It will be really fixed in the domain system.
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 85 17:00:02 est
From: Jeff Arnold <jma@mit-vax>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: mit-concert-test added

I've added MIT-CONCERT-TEST (015375) to sysnet;hosts > and hstmit >
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 15:50:42 EST
From: S. Robert Austein <SRA@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].447170.850408155233.SRA>

Got rid of extraneous space in HSTMIT that broke compilation (grrr).
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 85 01:58:55 EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: GILDEA@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].446299.850408020021.CSTACY>

I gobbled subnet 54 (44.) for the ERL people in building E-34,
whose ethernet will probably be connected to the rest of the
world someday.
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 85 16:48:51 EST
From: Ramin D. Zabih <RDZ@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
cc: staff@MIT-CHARON
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445849.850407164937.RDZ>


I have removed MIT-CHARON's chaosnet address until such time as the
chaos net to building 11 gets fixed.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:47:49 EST
From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
Subject: SYSNET;HSTMIT 368
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445261.850406225213.JIS>

Removed MIT-ATHENA's chaosnet address as that portion of the
ChaosNet is currently broken. This will force mail to go via the Internet.

                -Jeff
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 85 22:46:16 EST
From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS@MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].445257.850406224628.JIS>


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Date: 27 March 1985 00:05-EST
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I added two new 3600's Breckenridge and Starling, deleted Tahoe.
Please check to see if MIT-FRANK-SINATRA is in the right place.
I thought the names were supposed to be alphabetical,and MIT-F-S is
in the MIT-S's.
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Date: 17 March 1985 00:07-EST
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I added two harris hosts to the table, Harris-1 (a lisp machine)
and Harris-Trantor a vax.
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 22:59 EST
From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Booboo
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850315225931.5.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT>

I changed its address and ran XFILE.
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Date: 15 March 1985 16:55-EST
From: S. Robert Austein <SRA @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added HQ as alias for MIT-LCS-HQ (on request of MBJ).
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 85 22:48:00 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8503080348.AA06259@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: new hosts

I added MIT-GEEK, MIT-NERD and MIT-WIMP, a trio of Sun workstations at
LCS 32/221 through LCS 32/223. I also added MIT-SAURON at LCS 12/304.
                                                - John
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 85 21:33 EST
From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850306213354.1.CYPHER@MIT-SMOKEY.MIT>

I added MIT-RENOIR and MIT-KOALA to HOSTS and HSTMIT, took away KOALA as
a nickname for LM12, and changed addresses for Yogi and Panda, and ran
XFILE.  I also fixed the comment to say to do :XFILE SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE
instead of SYSENG;.
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Date: 5 March 1985 17:42-EST
From: S. Robert Austein <SRA @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Removed LCS entry for MIT-VAX, since it is now Chaos-only.
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Date: 4 March 1985 18:05-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Is everyone on this list really interested in tracking the changes
in MIT's own private host tables?  There is no problem if you are,
but I just noticed that the list is quite large and contains mostly
people on hosts which don't use our tables.
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Date: Mon 4 Mar 85 11:15:59-EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: Current HOSTS2 format files
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341

For those machines that still need HOSTS2 format files, you can get up
to date versions from SYSTEM:HOSTS2.TXT and SYSTEM:HOSTS2.BIN (source
and binary, respectively) by FTPing to XX and logging in as ANONYMOUS
with any password.  These files get generated automaticly by a batch
job from our HOSTS3 table.  Any host that doesn't fit into the HOSTS2
format is omitted, but otherwise this contains all the hosts and nets
in HSTMIT, HSTSYM, HSTSYI, and HSTNIC.

Right now these are in the old format, with no ".ARPA" on the ends of
Internet hostnames.  When the MC source files change format, so will
these.
                                --Rob
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Date: 20 February 1985 02:34-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  NIC Host Tables
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Since I no longer need to hand-edit our version of the NIC host
table (the HSTNIC file) to get local fixes, I have written and
installed a system demon which will run on MC each day to keep our
copy up to date automagically.

So, if you compile the host tables here, be aware that the NIC table
will be updated without human intervention and inspection.  If the NIC
table is broken or something (bad versions have been known to be
released in the past) you may encounter errors.  You should report
these things to me, and I'll fix them (of course if if you are plenty
damn sure you know what's going on you can fix it yourself.)

Cheers,
Chris
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Date: Tue, 19 Feb 85 14:06 EST
From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Concert
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <850219140629.1.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT>

I've added the address of Concert, Halstead's multiprocessor system, to
the host tables:
HOST MIT-CONCERT,       CHAOS 15376,SERVER,CONCERT,CONCERT,[CONCERT]
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Date: 13 February 1985 13:19-EST
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: SYSNET;HOSTS XFILE
To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Chris - the host table installation xfile failed attempting to parse CSTACY;NEWHST 3
at lines 59, 61, and 63.  If you could fix whatever you're doing & install the
new tables, I'd appreciate it.

Changed MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to be internet-only host (removed chaos addresses).

        -- Richard
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Date: 7 February 1985 16:46-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: BCN @ MIT-MC, GILDEA @ MIT-MC

New host tables generated, including latest NIC table.

There is now a kludge for getting around host nickname
collisions.  The only host which I have fixed this way
is MIT-EDDIE, which will now get the nickname EDDIE instead
of giving it to UW-EDDIE.  If you have a host with this problem,
let me know and I'll fix it for you.

Chris
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Date: 4 February 1985 08:53-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  new host tables
To: BCN @ MIT-EECS
cc: RZ @ MIT-MC, CSTACY @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST from Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS at MIT-MC.ARPA>

You should switch over to the HSTMIT file; the HOSTS file is
hopelessly out of date and has been for about two years.
(There isn't any SU-TAHOE in the HSTNIC or HSTMIT files.)

Chris
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Date: Mon 4 Feb 85 08:46:05-EST
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Re: new host tables
To: CSTACY@MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC, RZ@MIT-MC
In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>" of Mon 4 Feb 85 07:52:43-EST

It seems that in the new host table (HOSTS 834), the name TAHOE was a
nickname for both MIT-TAHOE, and SU-TAHOE.  This was causing problems
compiling the table on EE.  I removed the nicname TAHOE from SU-TAHOE
in HOSTS 835.  SU-TAHOE is the name of Stanford's dover.

        ~ Cliff
 
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Date: 4 February 1985 07:43-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: new host tables
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: RZ @ MIT-MC

New host tables generated on MC.
Someone added a LispM named GARY-COOPER at the same Chaosnet address
as NU-29, so I commented out NU-29.  Someone should go and resolve
this if they want NU-27 back on the network.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 85 23:55 EST
From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Gary Cooper
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: Soley@MIT-MC.ARPA, ward@MIT-VAX.ARPA
Message-ID: <850115235553.5.RZ@GSTAAD.MIT>

I deleted NU-29 from the host table and replaced it with
MIT-GARY-COOPER at the same address, with nicknames GARY and
GARY-COOPER. 
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 85 15:02:03 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8501142002.AA09164@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: MIT-SLUSH

I added MIT-SLUSH (18.26.0.130) to HSTMIT > and HOSTS >. I also added
MIT-SLUDGE to HOSTS >. Before, it was only listed in HSTMIT.
                                        - John
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Date: Sat 12 Jan 85 16:04:49-EST
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: New address for MIT-EDDIE
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC

CHAOS 12404 has been added for MIT-EDDIE in
HSTMIT(339) and HOSTS(831).  

        ~ Cliff
 
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 85 20:53:26 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8501020153.AA08091@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: two new hosts

I added MIT-STORMWATCH and PROTEON to HSTMIT and HOSTS.
                                        - John
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Date: 30 December 1984 17:04-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added MIT-ZAXXON (LispM at arcmac or something like that).
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Date: 21 December 1984 22:27-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New host tables installed on MC.
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Date: Wed 12 Dec 84 13:45:30-EST
From: Rob Austein <SRA@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Host table formats changing soon!
To: CSTACY@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>" of Sun 9 Dec 84 23:51:00-EST
Office: [NE43-502] 545 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139; (617) 253-7341

        I'm afraid XX is still using HOSTS > too, unless I am very
        confused.
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Date: 10 Dec 1984 16:25:34-EST
From: smh@mit-ems
To: CSTACY@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
Subject: Host table formats changing soon!

        Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file?  
        You probably shouldn't be.  The data in there is far from 
        complete or accurate.  Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different
        format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will
        probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.)

Alas, HOST2 and the old "HOSTS >" format is still used by
{several,many,most,all} Unix chaos systems.  I'm not sure which of
those adjective is accurate, but I know from personal inspection that
at least one of them is true.  If proper Unix hosts3 support exists,
I'd like to know about it.  If it has to be created, any volunteers?

Steve Haflich, smh@mit-ems
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Date: Mon 10 Dec 84 04:59:31-EST
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

New HSTMIT, HOSTS > - moved MIT-AI to chaos 3130
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Date: 9 December 1984 23:51-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  Host table formats changing soon!
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC


In the near future, the format of the HSTNIC and HSTMIT host table
files will be changing as part of the transition to the Internet name
domain system.

The HSTNIC file will reflect the official Internet host table at the
NIC, which these days has hosts with domain names like "MIT-AI.ARPA".  
The hosts also have nicknames like "MIT-AI" (their pre-domain official
global name).

The HSTMIT file will become a HOSTS3 (extended RFC810) format file,
Internet hosts listed in this file will be renamed to correspond to
their names in the HSTNIC file (ie., they will have ".ARPA" tacked on
to them.

Note: Collisions between nicknames in the HSTNIC and HSTMIT file
(e.g., MIT's EDDIE vs. UW's EDDIE) will probably not be solved by
these changes, since their is no real domain name system underneath.

If you are using the HOSTS3 compiler, you can at least compile the new
files.  You may have some trouble with software which thinks it knows
about name domains.  Of course, eventually a great deal of the world
will have to be rewritten to use the name domain stuff in a fully
general way, but that headache is still a little while off.

Also, does anyone still use the old "HOSTS >" format file?  
You probably shouldn't be.  The data in there is far from 
complete or accurate.  Also, since HSTMIT will be in a different
format from HOSTS, updating HOSTS will be painful and people will
probably stop doing it very much (if they are now.)

Please direct any questions and problems to me.

Chris
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Date: 6 December 1984 00:02-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New host tables installed on MC.
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Date: Wednesday, 5 December 1984, 14:13-EST
From: Tom Cloney <Muse at MIT-OZ>
To: INFO-HOSTS at MC

CADR-19 has been given the additional nickname SARAH (Sarah Bernhardt).
The appropriate files have been updated on OZ and MC. 
HSTNIC has not been altered.

        
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Date: 25 November 1984 21:43-EST
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: NEWT
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: RDZ @ MIT-MC, greg @ MIT-XX, iannucci @ MIT-XX

Put MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY on the CHAOSnet at 15113 and 30330.

        -- Richard
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Date: 17 November 1984 15:44-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest host tables installed on MC.
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Date: Thu 15 Nov 84 18:07:16-EST
From: George A. Boughton <GAB@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: subnet 10
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

        Mit-vax, cadr-9, cadr-12, cadr-16, cadr-19, cadr-20, and
cadr-29 have been removed from subnet 6 and placed on subnet 10.
Their new addresses can be found in mc:sysnet;hstmit >.
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 84 10:20:33 est
From: Web Dove <dove@bugs-bunny>
To: Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, MARTY@MIT-OZ,
        OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ
Subject: Re:  Number assignment conflict?


  From: Martin David Connor <MARTY@MIT-OZ>
  Subject: Number assignment conflict?
  
  
  I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output:
  
      Reading text file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MASTER.2
         Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.NIC.394
         Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYI.15
         Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MIT.326
         Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYM.59
      Processing tables...
      Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0
  
  I got the following error:
  
      Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE
        .....
      180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180
      1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file.
  
  Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question:
  
  HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : ....
  
  HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM ....
  
  Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0
  for some reason.  In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it
  seems to be ignoring it.
  
  Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the
  probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix.
  
The arpa numeric address standard calls for decimal numbers separated
by dots.  My understanding is that the numbers 18.20.subnet.host are
used at mit to signify those host addresses which support chaos wrapped
internet packets and can unwrap them.  For those hosts, "subnet"
corresponds to the chaos subnet number and "host" to the chaos host
number.  I directly translated chaos octal subnet 033 to decimal number
27. in order to arrive at the addresses for bugs-bunny (18.20.27.17)
and yosemite-sam (18.20.27.21).  Both hosts also have raw internet
packet addresses (18.27.0.17, 18.27.0.21).

The HOSTS3 program must treat the first two numbers of addresses of the
form 18.x as determining the subnet and the last two as determining the
host.  This will work for both addresses of the form 18.x.0.y and
18.20.x.y.

In fact, I think it was an error for me to send the 18.20.27.y addresses
to sri-nic as they do not need to know them.  Those addresses are only
significant for the wrapping gateways around mit.

P.S.
Please send mail to me direct as I am not on any of the hosts mailing lists.
\1f
Date: 14 November 1984 20:16-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest host tables installed on MC.
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Date: Wed 14 Nov 84 13:18:37-EST
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC@MIT-XX>
Subject: Re: Number assignment conflict?
To: MARTY@MIT-OZ, Bug-HOSTS3@MIT-OZ, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-OZ, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS@MIT-OZ
cc: JNC@MIT-XX
In-Reply-To: Message from "Martin David Connor <MARTY@MIT-OZ>" of Wed 14 Nov 84 11:57:00-EST

        The problem here is that with the 'new' CHAOS wrapping scheme
in use the third byte is in fact in use. HOSTS3 is incorrect in ignoring
this. Yosemite and Riverside have addresses that are identical except
in the third byte.
        The number of hosts that have that byte non-zero should be very
small; they are the wrapping/unwrapping gateways. The only ones I know
of that are actually running are Bugs, Gross, Riverside and Trillian.
You could probably deleete the offending address for Sam without much
problem.
                Noel
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Date: 14 Nov 1984  11:57 EST (Wed)
Message-ID: <MARTY.12063527815.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To:   Bug-HOSTS3%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-HOSTS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
      OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subject: Number assignment conflict?


I was running HOSTS3 asking for HOSTS2 output:

    Reading text file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MASTER.2
       Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.NIC.394
       Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYI.15
       Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.MIT.326
       Inserting file OZ:<SYSTEM>HOSTS.SYM.59
    Processing tables...
    Flushing duplicate net def "CHAOS" = 1:7.0.0.0

I got the following error:

    Duplicate address 18.20.41.21 = MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM, SCRC-RIVERSIDE
        .....
    180 nets, 1497 sites, 3174 names; length 21180
    1 "serious" errors, so not writing binary file.

Here are the NIC host table entries for the hosts in question:

HOST : 18.20.41.21, 192.10.41.21 : SCRC-RIVERSIDE : SYMBOLICS-3600 : LISPM : UDP/TIME,UDP/TFTP,TCP/FINGER,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TELNET,TCP/TIME,UDP/FINGER,TCP/FTP :

HOST : 18.20.27.21, 18.27.0.21 : MIT-YOSEMITE-SAM,SAM,YOSEMITE-SAM : VAX-11/750 : UNIX : TCP/TELNET,TCP/FTP,TCP/SMTP,TCP/TIME,TCP/DAYTIME,TCP/FINGER :

Now, I always thought the 3rd digit in the net 18 scheme was always 0
for some reason.  In any case, I think HOSTS3 also believes this as it
seems to be ignoring it.

Since I am not sure who is out of step here, I am sending to all the
probable parties, in hopes someone will know the right fix.

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Date: 13 November 1984 14:52-EST
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Moved all Tanglewood Lispmachines to subnet 60.
Deleted FLAME-OF-THE-FOREST.
Added BLUE-SPRUCE.

        -- Richard
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Date: 9 November 1984 13:26-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New host table installed, including NIC and local changes.
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 84 22:38 EST
From: "Richard E. Zippel" <RZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

mc:sysnet;hstmit 321 and mc:sysnet;hosts 818  have the new chaosnet
address of Aspen (15315) and the correct spelling of Zermatt.
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Date: 6 November 1984 15:01-EST
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I've added two lisp machnes, zermatt and gstaad at 15316 and 15317.
I didn't compile the table.
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 84 20:42:07 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8411050142.AA07961@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: a free subnet

I've freed up subnet 152 since I wasn't using it. First come, first
serve.
                                                - John
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Date: 4 November 1984 13:19-EST
From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, RZ @ MIT-MC

MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE was moved from subnet 32 to 72, thus giving its
address an non-lethal injection of 20000 units of octal number.
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Date: 4 November 1984 13:05-EST
From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: RZ @ MIT-MC

I took subnets 156 and 157 for Harris and defined the following
hosts in HSTMIT and HOSTS.  The first is the Harris end, the
second the MIT end.  I probably won't compile the host tables
unless I find a great need to.

HOST HARRIS-MIT-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 67402,CHAOS 67002],USER,MINITS,PDP11
HOST MIT-HARRIS-BRIDGE, [CHAOS 15040,CHAOS 67001],USER,MINITS,PDP11
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Date: 4 November 1984 12:51-EST
From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
To: LWA @ MIT-MC, DCLARK @ MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

We are running very short of "unused" Chaos subnets.  For that
matter, the last two "unused" subnets will be snarfed in a few
minutes.  The "Reserved for project Athena" subnets have been
reserved for over a year now.  As far as I can tell, only one of
them has become real.  Can we recycle some of them?
\1f
Date: 1 November 1984 15:36-EST
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: HSTMIT/HOSTS change
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added Lisp Machine Forest host MIT-JULGRAN (a Swedish tree) at CHAOS 15307.
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Date: 31 October 1984 19:24-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest host tables installed on MC.
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Date: 25 October 1984 14:20-EDT
From: Ramesh S. Patil <RAMESH @ MIT-MC>
Subject: new host table generated
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

The sysnet;hosts > and hstmit were edited but the xfile was not run when
I added LM-12 to subnet-6.  I just ran the :xfile to make the change happen.
 - ramesh
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Date: 22 October 1984 17:19-EDT
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Latest host table change
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added Pomegranate (new Lisp Machine Forest 3670).
Moved Oak, Flame, & Cherry to subnet 32.

        -- Richard
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 84 15:43:53 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8410221943.AA00770@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: mit-vax & mit-charmin

I added an internet address to MIT-VAX (18.26.0.95) and a new host
called MIT-CHARMIN (18.26.0.1) which is a printer.
                                                - John Romkey
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Date: 14 October 1984 20:43-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: dove @ MIT-BUGS-BUNNY

Latest NIC host table installed on MC.
I removed the SYLVESTER nicknames from BUGS since they collide with
an ARPAnet machine's name (and choosing the name BUGS was to avoid
this collision).
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Date: 10 October 1984 14:00-EDT
From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added two 3670's SID-VICIOUS at chaos 13061 and DUANE-ALLMAN at chaos 13063.
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Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 16:20-EDT
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: 28 page host table too big?
To: bug-its@MIT-MC
CC: BUG-TCP@MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC


I fetched the latest NIC host table and installed it on MC,
and suddenly I couldn't get a DDT from OZ.  I backed out, renaming it
to SYSBIN;HOSTS3 TOOBG?, and was then able to SUPDUP in and get a DDT without
it barfing and saying there was a PWORD bug. I bet the bug is it couldn't
map the host table.

Anyway, someone should look at PWORD.

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Date: Sun 7 Oct 84 15:19-EDT
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Latest NIC host table
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC


I retrieved it, and diked a few obvious hosts.  Someone (CSTACY) should
make a list of hosts that should have their nicknames diked, or make a
program that does the right thing.  It would help a lot.

\1f
Date: 4 October 1984 18:05-EDT
From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I generated new tables, moving MIT-HEPHAESTUS off subnet 6, to subnet 26.
\1f
Date: 25 September 1984 17:43-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  HOSTS3
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC,
    MOON @ SCRC-TENEX

The latest host table (including HSTNIC #384) is compiled and installed.
The HOSTS3 compiler is "fixed".

HOSTS3 hackers: The compiler does not do the sort of dynamic memory
allocation I had assumed. I was therefore able to make some more room in
the ITS version simply by moving where in core the table was being
constructed.  I didn't calculate how much room is left over for new code
or tables, but the increase should hold us for a while.  Of course, we
are racing against the rate of host additions on the various networks in
our table (the Internet, the Chaosnet, etc.)  Hopefully by the time we
run out it will be time to implement a hairy namespace system.  
Won't that be fun!
\1f
Date: 24 September 1984 13:07-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC
cc: BUG-TCP @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Well, I think we are finally out of address space.
New host tables cannot be compiled anymore because
they are too massive.  People should not try to
compile any changes until I get back to you,
hopefully with a solution.
\1f
Date: 14 September 1984 21:26-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table retrieved and installed.
\1f
Date: 14 September 1984 21:03-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

The TCP; directory on MC is now called "SYSNET;".
\1f
Date: 13 September 1984 02:54-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New NIC host table retrieved and installed.
\1f
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 84 16:15 EDT
From: Scott Cyphers <sr.ehpyc%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: kodiak, smokey
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

I added the lisp machine hosts
MIT-KODIAK (15431)
MIT-SMOKEY (15432)
to MC:TCP;HOSTS and HSTMIT
and ran XFILE
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Date: 7 September 1984 21:10-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table retrieved; tables compiled and installed on MC.
\1f
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 84 22:54 EDT
From: Chris Lindblad <cjl%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Changes to mc:tcp;hosts >
To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

I removed all synonyms of MIT-DM for the host MIT-MC.
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Date: 3 September 1984 17:59-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table and other pending changes installed.
MIT-TWEETY is now in the Internet.
\1f
Date: 2 September 1984 15:16-EDT
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Updated HSTMIT and HOSTS
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC


Rearranged AI Lab concentrators.  Suggest all 20's build new tables
as soon as possible. Already done for OZ.

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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 84 13:14:56 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8408301714.AA07218@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: mit-mother

Two changes to the entry for MIT-MOTHER in hstmit and hosts. I've
changed the address from LCS 32/42 to LCS 12/302 and I've commented it
out in both files until the NIC gets the new address right.
                                                        - John
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 15:54 EDT
From: Webster Dove <dove%MIT-BUGS-BUNNY@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: adding bugs-bunny
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Fcc: BUGS-BUNNY: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox

In order to ease the transition for sylvester to a new name, the
nicknames "mit-bugs-bunny", "bugs-bunny" and "bugs" have been added to
the description of mit-sylvester in hosts and hstmit.
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 84 12:24 EDT
From: Webster Dove <dove%MIT-SYLVESTER@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: nicknema sylvester for mit-sylvester removed
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Fcc: SYLVESTER: /syla/dspg/dove/mbox

Removed from mc:tcp;hosts and hstmit to prevent conflict with
cu-sylvester in hstnic.
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Date: Wed 15 Aug 84 16:53:18-EDT
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

TCP;HOSTS 780 updates the entry for RUTGERS, which is completely
irrelevant unless you need to talk to this machine through a
CHAOS-ARPA Gateway.

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Date: 15 August 1984 14:43-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest host tables compiled and installed on MC.
Includes MIT-DM, a VAX (sigh).
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 84 14:59 EDT
From: Cory Myers <cory%MIT-SYLVESTER@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA>
Subject: additional address for mit-sylvester
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

MIT-SYLVESTER now responds to chaos 016241 as well as its old address of
chaos 015421.  It also serves as a chaos gateway between subnets 33 and
34 in parallel with MIT-SPEECH-11.

Files mc:tcp; hstmit and mc:tcp;hosts have been updated to reflect this
change.

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From: jis@mit-charon (Jeff Schiller)
Date:  5 Aug 1984 1947-EDT (Sunday)
To: info-hosts@mit-mc
Subject: HSTMIT modified.

To indicate that MIT-APHRODITE is now at ChaosNet address 42014.

                -Jeff
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Date: 4 August 1984 20:43-EDT
From: Robert P. Krajewski <RPK @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  PS...
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: DARTH @ MIT-MC

The version numbers of the files concerned are HSTMIT 258 and HOSTS 778.
We'll edit the namespace object when CADR15 decides to come up...
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Date: 4 August 1984 20:41-EDT
From: Robert P. Krajewski <RPK @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  Chaos Address for MIT-PI changed
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: DARTH @ MIT-MC

Old: 13010 (Subnet 26 (AI Ethernet), Host 010)
New: 15314 (Subnet 32 (LCS Ethernet), Host 314)
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Date: 3 August 1984 11:08-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: CRE @ MIT-MC, BEN @ MIT-MC, CJL @ MIT-OZ, DANIEL @ MIT-OZ,
    MARTY @ MIT-OZ

I installed the latest NIC table, and discovered a new name conflict:
someone else has a SYLVESTER, so I manually removed their nickname.

People should be careful to remember that hosts whose entries appear
in multiple tables must match.  I found several offending entries with
conflicting ARPAnet addresses between the HSTMIT and HSTNIC table,
conflicting host nicknames, and different machine types.  If the
HOSTS3 compiler gets confused and thinks that different machines with
the same name are being talked about in different files, it will throw
away some or all of the information for those hosts.

Mistakes (which I have corrected) in the HSTMIT table had 
removed PREP and TINMAN from the Chaosnet!

Also added SANCHO-PANZA (a 3d floor 3600) to the Chaosnet.

Installed the tables on MC and ML.

Chris
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 84 09:16 EDT
From: "Christopher C. Stacy" <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: host tables
To: Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

The source for the host tables has moved from the SYSENG;
directory to the TCP; directory, which is a little less crowded.
Latest NIC table installed.

Chris
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Date: Thu 12 Jul 84 16:28:34-EDT
From: GAB@xx
Subject: ne43-2a
Sender: GAB%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
Reply-To: gab@xx

        I have changed the entries for ne43-2a in hosts and hstmit to include
its new subnet 6 address of 3162.
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Date: 10 July 1984 17:23-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: new host tables
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I installed the latest host tables on MC, including a new NIC table.
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Date: 29 June 1984 01:15-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: latest host table installed
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: BUG-MAIL @ MIT-MC, BUG-ITS @ MIT-MC, KLH @ SRI-NIC

I have compiled and installed the latest host tables
on MC and ML.  Things (such as the HOSTS3 compiler
and QMAIL) should be working now; please let me
know if anything blows up.

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Date: Thu 28 Jun 84 19:59:34-EDT
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: New addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and MIT-BYPASS
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

SYSENG; HSTMIT 243 and
SYSENG; HOSTS  767

Have been updated to include subnet 25 addresses for MIT-EECS-11 and
MIT-BYPASS.  In addition to its old addresses, MIT-EECS-11 now resides
at chaos 12542, and MIT-BYPASS at 12530.

        ~ Cliff
 
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Date: 27 June 1984 12:13-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: despite my previous warnings
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: CSR @ MIT-MC

Whoever installed the latest host tables on MC broke alot
of system programs.  It was someone who uses the CSR directory.
Keep your fucking hands off, please.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 84 11:45:37 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8406271545.AA01059@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: host table change

I added a chaosnet address for mit-coke.
                                                - John
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Date: 23 June 1984 18:19-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

No one should compile new host tables on ITS until some
bugs in various system programs are worked out.
The most recent valid files are SYSBIN;HOSTS2 726 and HOSTS3 403.
The ones after that (HOSTS2 LATEST and HOSTS3 LATEST) correspond
to the most recently updated host table source files and required
modifications to the HOSTS3 compiler to produce.  Sadly, they have
pushed the memory limits of assorted system programs and cannot
be installed yet.   I'll send another message when things are
working again.
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Date: 23 June 1984 17:39-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  Host name "Harvard" doesn't work right
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: MRC @ SU-SCORE, bug-mailer @ MIT-OZ, bug-mm @ MIT-OZ, RMS @ MIT-OZ
In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 23 Jun 84 14:13:42-PDT from Mark Crispin <MRC at SU-SCORE.ARPA>

I removed the nickname HARVARD from the MINITS machine (Harvard
Bridge?) at Symbolics, so that Harvard University can be called
"Harvard" and so many users would be less confused.
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Date: Mon 18 Jun 84 20:34:52-EDT
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Zarquon, Prak, Hactar, and Slartibartfast
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC

The followiwng have been added to HSTMIT 239 and HOSTS 764:

MIT-SLARTIBARTFAST    Chaos 12422
MIT-PRAK              Chaos 12423
MIT-ZARQUON           Chaos 12424
MIT-HACTAR            Chaos 12425

These are the 4 client computers in the building 38 Athena Cluster.

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Date: Thu 14 Jun 84 11:13:23-EDT
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: MIT-TRILLIAN
To: INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC.ARPA
cc: Staff%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA

SYSENG; HSTMIT 238

and

SYSENG; HOSTS 763

Add mit-trillian at chaos address 12421, a VAX-11/750 Running 4.2.
It is the first Athena machine running in building 38.
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Date: 13 June 1984 14:48-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New NIC table installed.
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Date: Thu 7 Jun 84 03:19-EDT
From: Michael J. Konopik <ZZZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: you wanted this...
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC


I just changed HOSTS > and HSTMIT > to reflect the fact that HTJR (TINMAN)
still runs VMS. The claim that it runs UNIX was screwing up CFTP.

                                -Mike
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Date: 6 June 1984 17:58-EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Atari
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: JNC @ MIT-MC

        Now that Atari Cambridge has gone belly up, should the Atari numbers
be recycled? Who is competent to know whether or nott these numbers are still
in use.
\1f
Date: 6 June 1984 17:47-EDT
From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Subnets assigned
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: JNC @ MIT-MC

        Subnets 64 and 65 (octal) have been assigned to the MIT-Proteon
link and the main ring out at Natick respectively. I hope the fact that
they were marked as 'unused' in HSTMIT > means those numbers really were
unused.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 84 14:09:34 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8406061809.AA04901@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: Mother and Cub

I removed two nicknames for MIT-MOTHER and added MIT-CUB to hstmit and
hosts.
                                                - John
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Date: 2 Jun 1984  04:21 EDT (Sat)
Message-ID: <MARTY.12020180156.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To:   Info-Hosts@MIT-MC, OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subject: New host tables


Well, being rather bored, I decided to teach myself to get new host
tables from the NIC and compile host tables on MC.

I did the following things.  I think they are right, but would
appreciate any suggestions for a better way:

   - Ran CSTACY;HOSTS to retrieve the lastest NIC table

   - Did :XFILE SYSENG;HOSTS XFILE to create the tables

   - Got the following cruft printed out:

Nickname WARD for Internet site WASHINGTON is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname ROCKY for Internet site CU-ROBOTICS is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname MERLIN for Internet site PURDUE-MERLIN is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname LARRY for Internet site UW-BLUECHIP is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname FORD for Internet site FORD1 is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname EDDIE for Internet site UW-EDDIE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname COYOTE for Internet site SU-COYOTE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.
Nickname ARTHUR for Internet site PURDUE is also a CHAOS host, ignored.

    - Went back in, and hand edited out the DUPS from the NIC table,
      and wrote back out the table to the same version (349).

    - Compiled the table again, noticing that the NIC had now made
      MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY the primary name for MIT-FLA.  Of course
      HSTMIT still had MIT-FLA as the primary name, so HOSTS2 bitched.

    - Edited HSTMIT to make it consistent with HSTNIC.

    - Compiled the tables one last time.

I wasn't sure if ALL the dup nicknames usually got edited out, but it
seemed like the right thing for local use.

Anyway, if I did something wrong, someone can fix it, and please let
me know so I don't do it again.

  Marty

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Date: Thu 31 May 84 18:03:14-EDT
From: Clifford Neuman <BCN%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: HoG and Franky-Mouse
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

The long awaited EE ether loop is now alive.

HSTMIT 228 and HOSTS 758 have been changed.

Franky-Mouse:    Subnet 7  host 10  (3410)
                 Subnet 25 host 10 (12410)

Heart-of-Gold:   Subnet 25 host 42 (12442)

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Date: 27 May 1984 02:00-EDT
From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

HSTMIT 225... Added MIT-ATHENA on the ChaosNet...

                -Jeff
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Date: 27 May 1984 01:57-EDT
From: Jeffrey I. Schiller <JIS @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC


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Date: Fri, 25 May 84 15:26:24 edt
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8405251926.AA01763@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: three changes

Hi. I've added two hosts to the tables: MIT-BLUE-APOLLO and MIT-GOOFY.
I've also allocated a subnet (151) for some IP speaking Apollo machines
for Bob Iannucci.
                                                        - John
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Date: 25 May 1984 09:26-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table retrieved and compiled on MC.
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Date: Tuesday, 22 May 1984, 16:45-EDT
From: Chris Lindblad <cjl at MIT-OZ>
Subject: Change to MIT host table
To: info-hosts at MIT-OZ

mc:syseng; hosts > and mc:syseng; hstmit > have been modified.
The operating system on MIT-HERMES has changed from VMS to UNIX.
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Date: 22 May 1984  03:42 EDT (Tue)
Message-ID: <MARTY.12017289445.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To:   INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Cc:   OZ-HOSTS-HACKERS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subject: Slight frob to HSTMIT and HOSTS


In order to make HOSTS3 happy, I had to set the official name of
MIT-NEWTOWNE-VARIETY to MIT-FLA, since that's what it was in HSTNIC.

If the NIC table ever gets the new apparent official name for FLA,
then it will be ok to change the MIT tables.

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Date: Mon, 21 May 84 12:25 EDT
From: Charles Hornig <Hornig@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA>
Subject: HSTNIC 347
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <840521122524.2.HORNIG@PEACE.SCRC.Symbolics>

I brought over the most recent NIC host table, but didn't recompile
HOSTS3 because I was worried at the apparent resurrection of MIT-AI
(running ITS on a KS10).  If AI is really coming back, someone can go
ahead and install it.  If it isn't, someone should tell the NIC.
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Date: Sat 19 May 84 19:22:16-EDT
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

HOSTS 747 and HSTMIT 213 modify XI, the XX net-11. Remove from SN6, add
to SN32 (15020), change OS to MINITS, remove nickname "NFE", whee.
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Date: 17 May 1984 18:09-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  MIT-AI
To: DPH @ MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, TAFT @ MIT-MC, TK @ MIT-MC, AI-KL @ MIT-OZ,
    GLR @ MIT-OZ
In-reply-to: Msg of 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT from Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH>

I have sent in the update which renames MIT-AI-RESERVED (on IMP 6) to
MIT-AI, and removes the "AI" nicknames from MIT-OZ (on IMP 77, but
this entry is commented out.)
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Date: 17 May 1984 15:24-EDT
From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro <PGS @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I added a new Chaos host on subnet 32, MIT-NE43-2B-HUB, and regenerated the
host tables on MC.
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Date: 16 May 1984 19:52-EDT
From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I removed the aliases MIT-AI and AI from MIT-OZ in HOSTS > and HSTMIT >.
Somebody (read cstacy) might want to have the NIC remove it from OZ's
commented out entry in HSTNIC in the eventuality that oz ever makes it
on the arpanet...
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Date: 16 May 1984 17:33-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

No one should install a host table on MC without removing the
naming ambiguities for the names "MERLIN", "EDDIE", and "FORD".
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Date: 16 May 1984 16:12-EDT
From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
Subject: new host table
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC host table (346).
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Date: Tuesday, 15 May 1984, 03:27-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
Subject: "PFC"
To: John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>
Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
In-reply-to: The message of 9 May 84 16:00-EDT from John G. Aspinall <JGA>
             The message of 23 January 84 10:13-EST from <JGA>

Added nickname "PFC" to MIT-PFC-VAX in the source.
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Date: Thu 10 May 84 23:14:17-EDT
From: Robert H. Myhill <ROBERT@MIT-XX.ARPA>
Subject: please take me off of this mailing lists
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA


Could someone out there please take me off of the
info-hosts mailing list/
Thanks.

robert@xx
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Date: 6 May 1984 23:34-EDT
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New host table installed, including latest NIC table.
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Date: Sat 5 May 84 18:25-EDT
From: Michael J. Konopik <ZZZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: 
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC

I just added MIT-DIOXIN to the host tables. It is CCC's new terminal
concentrator. Just thought you'd like to know...

                                -Mike
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Date: 29 Apr 1984 17:56:58-EDT
From: walter at mit-htvax
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: MIT-RTS

Commented out MIT-RTS.
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 84 12:47 EST
From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-STONY-BROOK@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA>
Subject: HSTSYM changes
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <840423124752.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics>

I moved the nickname SCRC from SCRC-TENEX to SCRC-STONY-BROOK.
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Date: 12 April 1984 08:11-EST
From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Changed 128.31.x.x hosts to 18.20.x.x pending the NIC update.
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Date: 11 April 1984 18:46-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

New host table installed on MC.
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Date: 10 Apr 1984 07:42:57-EST
From: <smh@mit-ems>
To: info-hosts@mit-mc
Subject: Master host tables broken

There are two problems in the current host tables.  The guilty parties
will know who they are:

[MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] is trivially broken by the mysterious addition
of a newline in the middle of MIT-MARVIN.

[MC:SYSENG;HOSTS 737] lacks the most recent updates appearing in
[MC;SYSENG;HSTMIT 201].  Should not the MIT data in these files be
maintained in parallel?

HEY!  Let's be *careful* out there!
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 84 05:03 EST
From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-STONY-BROOK@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA>
Subject: HOST changes
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
Message-ID: <840410050348.5.Hornig@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics>

I adjusted SCRC-RIVERSIDE's addresses to reflect the new gateway
situation and added the Athena machines which are now accessible.
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Date: 9 April 1984 21:39-EST
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Installed MIT-NU-0 thru MIT-NU-29 at their correct Chaos addresses.
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Date: 7 April 1984 19:40-EST
From: Richard E. Zippel <RZ @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

I've added mit-nu0 through mit-nu29 now that they are on the net.
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 22:45:23 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8404060345.AA03946@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: fla & wild-blue-yonder & such
Cc: marty%oz@mc

I've uncommented wild-blue-yonder, deleted fla's conflicting net
address and recompiled the host tables.

I don't mean to harp on the point, but I'm sure that I fixed it when I
was updating the tables the first time. I am at least sure that I
editted hstmit > twice but there's only one copy before Marty's update
bearing my name at the top. So I think that the fixed version got lost
somewhere (is that sufficiently vague?). I am careful when I change the
tables!
                                                - John
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Date: 5 Apr 1984  21:43 EST (Thu)
Message-ID: <MARTY.12005176464.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: Martin David Connor <MARTY%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To:   INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC
Cc:   Romkey@MIT-BORAX.ARPA
Subject: MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER


This machine had the same address as MIT-FLA in HSTMIT.
This made it impossible to compile a new host table.
I commented it out until someone does it right.

Marty

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 84 16:21:28 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8404052121.AA01686@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: additions to the host tables

I just added MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER, MIT-BIG-BLUE, MIT-BLUE-LIGHT and
MIT-BLUE-DANUBE to the hstmit > and hosts >. I also had to delete the
subnet 26 address for MIT-FLA because MIT-WILD-BLUE-YONDER is really
just a name for the other interface on fla. It's all Bob Iannucci's
fault.
                                                - John Romkey
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Date: 1 April 1984 22:01-EST
From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

HOSTS 731 and HSTMIT 191 add MIT-ASPEN and MIT-TELLURIDE,
3600's and comments out MIT_VAXLET which some twit put at
a conflicting address with SCRC-PEACE.
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Date: 30 March 1984 14:06-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC
cc: MOON @ SCRC-TENEX

Would someone from Symbolics please correct their host
tables (remove duplicate-address entries)?  The host
tables cannot be compiled in the current state.
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 1984  19:55 EST
Message-ID: <UC.GDS.12003059596.BABYL@MIT-EECS>
From: Greg Skinner <UC.GDS@MIT-EECS>
To:   Gail Zacharias <GZ@MIT-OZ>
Cc:   bug-mail@MIT-OZ, ee.mp@MIT-OZ, smh@MIT-EMS, STRAZ@MIT-OZ, info-hosts@MC
Subject: mailing to athena
In-reply-to: Msg of 28 Mar 1984  16:47-EST from Gail Zacharias <GZ at MIT-OZ>

There are a few easy ways out of this mess (some easier than
others).

1.  Somebody add mit-athena, and athena, as nicknames for charon,
unless there's some special reason why that shouldn't be done.

2.  Steve, if you were using MM, and did 

to: "mit-athena!tony"@mit-eddie,

I believe MM would have converted it properly for MMAILR to use it.
(Is that so, Gail?  If not, we have a serious problem here.)  If you
didn't, you don't have to put quotes around the foreign address,
because the quotes are there so MM won't interpret the ! as a comment.
(Correct me again Gail if I'm wrong.)

3. In general, you should try to find other means besides using UUCP
to send mail which you want delivered in a hurry.  (It looked from the
message as if you expected it to get there immediately.)  UUCP mail is
more than a magnitude of order slower than CHAOS mail, which means
that it probably would have taken a day or so for your message to get
to mit-athena (if it ever got there -- you'd be surprised at how often
UUCP mail gets lost).  I don't see any reason why they are not
accepting chaos mail anyhow, seeing as they're on the chaosnet, that
sort of goes along with the territory.
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Date: 22 March 1984 00:47-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table installed.
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 84 16:52:14 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8403162152.AA05041@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: hstmit additions

I added two hosts, MIT-GUANO (it's Steve Ward's fault!) and MIT-CJT,
both ibm pc's, to hstmit > and hosts >.
                                                - John Romkey
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 84 06:39 EST
From: "Christopher C. Stacy" <CStacy@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10
To: "David A. Moon" <Moon%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Cc: BUG-FTP@MIT-MC.ARPA, GSB@MIT-MC.ARPA, KLOTZ@MIT-MC.ARPA,
    Info-Hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-reply-to: The message of 29 Feb 84 15:41-EST from David A. Moon <Moon at SCRC-TENEX>

    Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST
    From: David A. Moon <Moon%SCRC-TENEX at MIT-MC.ARPA>
        ftp.  Really, it's user-interface brain death.  You see it used
        to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't.  We expected
        without thinking that it would.  (I think that was it anyway;  transfering
        in ascii rather than 36bit).  It's not like it lies or anythign, but
        that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who
        really looks at spastic program printout anyway....
    Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from
    "PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080".  Thus FTP can no
    longer tell when a machine is a pdp10.  Probably this was imposed on us by
    the NIC.  Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or
    all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the
    NHOSTN routine.

    Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix.

I just changed FTP to think that things which run ITS, WAITS, TOPS10,
TOPS20, TENEX, and FOONEX are PDP-10s.    

    From: Leigh L. Klotz <KLOTZ @ MIT-MC>
    To: BUG-FTP @ MIT-MC
    Why do I get
    ASCII retrieve of <dir>FILE.EXT.2 started.
    twice whenever I use FTP to a twenex site?  I haven't had occasion
    to use it with any other type of site.

I think I have also fixed this bug.
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Date: 9 March 1984 19:13-EST
From: Charles Frankston <CBF @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  Project Athena Vaxen & Large Chaos subnet numbers
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Two Project Athena Vaxen have been added to HSTMIT table as Chaos only
hosts.

They are MIT-CHARON, Chaos address 042015 and MIT-APOLLO, Chaos address
042013.  APOLLO is not actually on the chaos net yet, but probably will
be in time, along with another dozen or two Project Athena machines.

Some of you may have noticed that these machines are on Chaos subnet
104o.  This subnet is 11d higher than any previously active subnet on the
MIT-Chaos net.  This is due to various places which have reserved subnets
not yet operational or connected to the main MIT Chaos net.

This subnet is not reachable by a large number of Chaosnet hosts due to
their routing tables being too small.  I have fixed the bridges
MIT-INFINITE and MIT-BYPASS, which merely needed recompiling.  However,
there are other bridges and hosts that should have their routing tables
enlarged.  In partcular the front end 11 for every 20 on campus, MIT-VAX
and I imagine many other Unix hosts.

Note that Chaos subnet 104o=68d, whereas the Athena machines all think
they are on Internet subnet 18.58.xx.xx.  I understand that there was once
an attempt to maintain a correspondence between MIT internet subnet and
Chaos subnet numbers.  Apparently Project Athena was originally assigned a
set of subnets starting at 58d, but when these were claimed by groups, no
one bothered informing the Athena staff.  This doesn't represent any
problem yet, if it ever will, as there is no Internet link from the Athena
machines to the rest of the Internet.

I would also make a plea that if people increase their routing table sizes
they go straight to 122d (172o).  This is the number of subnet entries
that will fit in the maximum size routing packet.  It's real hard to
figure out that no one can talk to your subnet because your routing
packets are being ignored.
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Date: 6 March 1984 21:44-EST
From: Daniel Huttenlocher <DPH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Installed MIT-GOLDILOCKS a 3600 at chaos address 15470.
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Date: 6 March 1984 03:34-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table installed on MC.
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Date: Monday, 5 March 1984, 08:36-EST
From: Charles Hornig <Hornig%SCRC-QUABBIN@MIT-ML.ARPA>
Subject: SYMBOLICS-3600
To: "David C. Plummer" <DCP@MIT-MC.ARPA>
cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-ML.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA
In-Reply-To: The message of 25 Feb 84 15:07-EST from David C. Plummer <DCP at MIT-MC>
Message-ID: <840305083652.1.Hornig@QUABBIN.SCRC.Symbolics>

    Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST
    From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>

        Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
        From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>

            Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
            From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>

            The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
            on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
            the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
            HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
            decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

        Charlie, what's the story here?

        (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
        vacation for another week or so.)

    Ignore me.  I should have read all my mail first.

        Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
        From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
        To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC
        cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

            Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
            From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>


            The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
            on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
            the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
            HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
            decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

        SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed.  I guess
        that is the new convention...

When I first had SCRC-Peace added to the NIC host table, I told them
that it was a Symbolics 3600.  They assigned the machine type
"SYMBOLICS-3600" to it.  I followed their lead from then on.
\1f
Date: 3 March 1984 13:16-EST
From: Daniel J. Carnese <DJC @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

MIT-LCS-HQ is now at LCS 12/200.
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Date: Thu 1 Mar 84 15:42:02-EST
From: John Wroclawski <JTW%MIT-SPEECH@MIT-MC.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC
cc: smh%MIT-EDDIE@MIT-MC.ARPA


HOSTS 724 and HSTMIT 170 add Chaos sites MIT-EMS (6401), MIT-HAYDN (6402),
and MIT-WAIF (6420). Additionally, MIT-INFINITE (bldg 8 bridge) has grown
a new address 6410.

Subnet vultures will note that this constitutes the (re)activation of
subnet 15 as part of the Big Picture.

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Date: Wed, 29 Feb 84 15:41 EST
From: "David A. Moon" <Moon%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: When is a pdp-10 not a pdp-10
To: bug-ftp@MIT-MC.ARPA
Cc: gsb@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA

    ftp.  Really, it's user-interface brain death.  You see it used
    to do-the-right-thing between pdp10s and now it doesn't.  We expected
    without thinking that it would.  (I think that was it anyway;  transfering
    in ascii rather than 36bit).  It's not like it lies or anythign, but
    that the default used to be adequate for any file transfer, and who
    really looks at spastic program printout anyway....
Someone changed the machine type in the host table of all the pdp10s from
"PDP10" to imaginative things like "DEC-10", "DEC-1080".  Thus FTP can no
longer tell when a machine is a pdp10.  Probably this was imposed on us by
the NIC.  Someone should give FTP a list of all the known pdp10 machines or
all the known pdp10 operating systems, replacing the present code in the
NHOSTN routine.

Presumably this is an attempt to get us all to switch to Unix.
\1f
Date: Sun 26 Feb 84 22:28:29-EST
From: John T. Wroclawski <JTW@MIT-XX.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA, bcn%MIT-EECS@MIT-XX.ARPA


HOSTS 723 and HSTMIT 169 add MIT-MATH-HUB at chaos 7740 (SN17, 340),
a MINITS box out at the end of Bldg 2.

It appears there is life out there after all.
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Date: 25 February 1984 15:07-EST
From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
To: DCP @ MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX,
    LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX

    Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
    From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>

        Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
        From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>

        The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
        on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
        the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
        HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
        decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

    Charlie, what's the story here?

    (The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
    vacation for another week or so.)

Ignore me.  I should have read all my mail first.

    Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
    From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
    To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC
    cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

        Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
        From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>


        The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
        on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
        the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
        HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
        decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

    SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed.  I guess
    that is the new convention...
\1f
Date: 25 February 1984 14:59-EST
From: David C. Plummer <DCP @ MIT-MC>
To: Hornig @ SCRC-TENEX
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, LispM-Networks @ SCRC-TENEX

    Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
    From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>

    The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
    on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
    the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
    HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
    decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

Charlie, what's the story here?

(The rest of you, don't expect an answer very soon, he's on
vacation for another week or so.)
\1f
Date: 24 February 1984 20:33-EST
From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH @ MIT-MC>
To: CSTACY @ MIT-MC
cc: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

    Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
    From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>


    The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
    on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
    the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
    HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
    decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.

SYMBOLICS-3600 is the way SCRC wanted their hosts listed.  I guess
that is the new convention...
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Date: 24 February 1984 18:08-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC


The NIC seems to be putting CPU types of "SYMBOLICS-3600"
on things, while our local tables say "3600".  This makes
the HOSTS3 compiler print silly warnings, so I edited the
HSTNIC file to use the "3600" convention.  Someone should
decide which they would rather see, and get everyone to use it.
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Date: 21 February 1984 04:07-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC table installed on MC and ML.
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Received: by mit-borax.ARPA (4.12/4.7)
        id AA03676; Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 84 00:35:01 est
From: romkey@mit-borax (John L. Romkey)
Message-Id: <8402120535.AA03676@mit-borax.ARPA>
To: info-hosts@mit-mc
Subject: additions to hstmit

Well, addition. I added mit-pluto, another ibm pc. I also changed the
host type for mit-borax from vax to vax-11/750 so that lisp machines
wouldn't complain that it was different from the type in the nic name
table.
                                                        - John Romkey
                                                          romkey@mit-borax
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1984  23:21 EST
Message-ID: <CJL.11990776310.BABYL@MIT-OZ>
From: CJL%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA
To:   INFO-HOSTS@MIT-MC

I have changes mc:syseng;hstmit > and mc:syseng;hosts > :

Chaosnet host MIT-PREP now is at Chaosnet addresses 13016 and 3413.

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Date: 8 February 1984 18:31 EST
From: Patrick A O'Donnell <PAO @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added MIT-COUGAR at CHAOS 3033.  Did not compile.
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Date: 8 February 1984 15:24 EST
From: Richard Mark Soley <SOLEY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: MAHOGANY
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Added MIT-MAHOGANY (HO) to the Lisp Machine Forest.
Moved MIT-NETLEAF-HACKBERRY to subnet 26..

        -- Richard
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Date: 2 February 1984 01:32 EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Latest NIC host table installed on MC and ML.
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Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST
From: roger at mit-dspg
To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
Subject: Re:  new host table available

I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas
upon becoming an official member of the community.  I thought
after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what
it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed
to draw out of it.  Several of us would beg to differ, however, on
the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as
a further nickname.  Many many thanks regardless!

        roger@dspg
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Date: 23 Jan 1984 15:41:04-EST
From: roger at mit-dspg
To: CStacy@mit-mc, INFO-HOSTS@mit-mc
Subject: Re:  new host table available

I and Sylvester wish to invite all to share in a quick dance of hosannas
upon becoming an official member of the community.  I thought
after I sent my note that it was not all that coherent as to what
it was requesting; I am most impressed at how much you have managed
to draw out of it.  Several of us would beg to differ, however, on
the spelling of PUDDYTAT, and would ask to include this one as
a further nickname.  Many many thanks regardless!

        roger@dspg
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Date: 23 January 1984 15:50 EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CSTACY @ MIT-MC>
Subject: sufferin' succotash
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC, roger @ MIT-DSPG

I corrected the spelling of PUDDYTAT on the source.
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Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:32-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
Subject: "PFC"
To: John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>
Cc: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
In-reply-to: The message of 23 Jan 84 10:13-EST from John G. Aspinall <JGA at MIT-MC>

    Date: 23 January 1984 10:13 EST
    From: John G. Aspinall <JGA @ MIT-MC>
    Could I petition for the nickname "PFC" to be changed to apply to
    MIT-PFC-VAX (a server) and not MIT-FUSION (a terminal concentrator).

I removed the "PFC" and "PFC-11" nicknames from the PLASMA concentrator,
in the source.  Will take effect next time there is a significant update.
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Date: Monday, 23 January 1984, 13:06-EST
From: Christopher C. Stacy <CStacy at MIT-MC>
Subject: new host table available
To: INFO-HOSTS at MIT-MC
Cc: roger at mit-dspg, dove at mit-dspg, root at PUTTYTAT
In-reply-to: The message of 12 Jan 84 09:24-EST from roger at mit-dspg

I added MIT-SYLVESTER, a DSPG VAX running Unix at 15421 on the Chaosnet.  
Has nicknames SYLVESTER, PUTTYTAT, and SYL.  Updated host tables on MC
and ML (someone should copy them to OZ and XX, etc.)

Chris
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Date: 18 January 1984 10:53 EST
From: Charles Hornig <CAH @ MIT-MC>
To: INFO-HOSTS @ MIT-MC

Copied NIC:<NETINFO>HOSTS.TXT.325 to MC and recompiled tables.
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Date: 10 Jan 1984 18:04:41-PST
From: romkey@MIT-BORAX
Real-name: John L. Romkey
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: name table additions

I added two hosts, MIT-PEPSI and MIT-SELTZER, to hstmit on mc.
                                                - John
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Date: 9 Jan 1984 21:52:52-PST
From: romkey@MIT-BORAX
Real-name: John L. Romkey
To: info-hosts@mc
Subject: added two hosts

Hi,
        I added two hosts (MIT-COKE and MIT-DR-PEPPER, two Now machines) to
the host tables.
                                                        - John
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Received: from SCRC-CHARLES by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Wed 4-Jan-84 20:29:22-EST
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 84 20:33 EST
From: "David C. Plummer" <DCP%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject: Some machines really do care what garbage gets put in databases...
To: Hostmaster@SRI-NIC.ARPA
Cc: LispM-Networks%SCRC-TENEX@MIT-MC.ARPA, Info-hosts@MIT-MC.ARPA,
    lwa@MIT-XX.ARPA
In-reply-to: The message of 31 Dec 83 17:46-EST from David C. Plummer <DCP at SCRC-TENEX>,
             The message of 4 Jan 84 17:15-EST from lwa at MIT-CSR

Please remove the TCP/SUPDUP service entry from MIT-BORAX; BORAX does
not currently (and has never to my knowledge) had a SUPDUP server.
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